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1999-2000

NOTE: All SW19's comments are in brown

THE CLUB

Do you think that the club is in "better hands" under BRG than Sam Hammam? :

Yes 82 %
Unsure 12 %
  No 3 %

OTHERS : Like to think so, same



YOUR COMMENTS:

On first impressions, only time will tell

Yes - is this a serious question?

We look like we're going to get more professional which is needed in the modern game. We also now have serious financial clout: relegation would've been an immediate disaster under Hammam, but now we can survive it at least for a while

Time will tell – Rokke is probably bad news

Sam never got us in the situation that BRG have, ie Div 1

1000% so, best thing to happen in years

You have to be realistic and understand that the art of managing a football club in 2000 is the art of doing business. Sam Hammam was too much feelings and too little business. BRG and KIR are perhaps too much business but they still have feelings. I believe in BRG !!!!!!

I think the club certainly has a better future under BRG. For one thing, BRG does have a good track record and we now have a new training ground and the general PR arrangement is improving. I think SH at one point did care about WFC but he also has lots of ulterior motives which us supporters sometimes cannot tell. It's a shame that he left with so much hatred and distrust from some of our own supporters. He should have just walked away in 1997 when he sold his shares.

Yes. Very simply put, BRG has already contributed with a training ground and two possible sites for a ground. SH failed to do that in god knows how many years. I also think that BRG is more interested in the team then money, and will not sell top players for a bit of extra cash.



Had I done this poll even as recently as January, the result would probably have been very very different.


Do you think that we are more likely to get our own stadium now? :

Yes 88 %
Possibly 5 %
  Unlikely / who knows / hope so / no 2 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


Yes - but in a few years to come

500%

Hope so - we have been at Selhurst too long now

Yes, and I expect we’ll have to anyway

In a way, yes. I think BRG and Rokke are two sound businessmen and it surely must sound ridiculous to them that a football team does not have its football ground. Also, there is only one way to improve the value of WFC which is to invest properly and wisely and I reckon that in BRG's three year plan, a new ground is envisaged.

Definitely. I believe this to be a no.1 priority for BRG, whereas Sam was more concentrated on balancing the books and fixing (not repairing) floodlights. BRG is certainly aware of the need for us to have our own ground and will do whatever he can to please the fans, not himself.

Yes - isn't that a loaded question? (no, not intentionally)



Again, optimism with a dash of caution. It seems obvious that if Hammam was the "Crazy Gang", BRG is much more "Womble Til I Die"

Do you think WFC's marketing has improved since this time last year? :

Yes 53 %
No 19 %
  Don't know 17 %
  No change 10 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


Slowly but surely - st forms and promos were very promising

Yes, but it's still poor. Little things like the Puma banners outside the ground v Aston Villa, the new Season Ticket brochure, ticker-tape v Villa, etc show the club is more aware of the image it presents

No change, it has always been shit

Except for the ST brochure - no



While most seem to suggest it has improved, it's clear we still have a long way to go before we start to rival Man U.


Do you think WFC's PR has improved since this time last year? :

No 37 %
Yes 29 %
  Don't know 17 %

OTHERS : No change, a little



YOUR COMMENTS:

No, but TB and BRG seem to be fairly good on the footy side

Don't think so especially when people like Euell and Cort can still come up with great comments like Leicester is a bigger club and I want to move there (and I am not saying Leicester is a shit club).

No. Never been great, hasn’t improved at all. Announcements are poorly put together, outside of the club actions that cause rumour are not formerly put to rest by the club. No one acts as the definitive line to tell the press exactly how it is.

We need a full-time PR person, to counteract all the rubbish that is printed about us

Yes - marginally

No – move over Reg, give a younger man/woman a try



I think last year's debacles (plural) made people consider just how bad WFC PR is. That said, the fact that 29% reckon it's got better either proves that we're finally doing something right (either that or else it couldn't have got any lower)


Do you think that WFC needs to employ a full-time Media and PR person? :

Yes 88 %
Maybe 7 %
  No 3 %
  Depends 2 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


No disrespect to Reg Davis, but I think it's got to be somebody who's worked in the industry and knows how it works.

The sales department is the most important department in any business organisation

Yes - give it to Reg

What does Reg Davis do then? I don’t really think we do.

To create new fans you have to get out and push the club in the media

Now that we’re out of the limelight a bit more, it might be a good idea to consolidate and structure (curb?) the PR side of things.

However the made-up stories may fall somewhat as we’re not a Prem team anyway

Surely playing good football would provide all the PR we need though.

I am fully prepared to take the job on myself



Such a huge margin of "victory" must surely indicate that most readers have very little faith in the current set-up. Believe me, this question has been put to WFC on more than the odd occasion

Do you think that WFC should run the away travel instead of the OSC? :

Yes 73 %
Don't know 15 %
  Doesn't matter 5 %

OTHERS : No, don't use it, maybe


YOUR COMMENTS:

It should be subsidised to encourage more away support.

If the OSC is probably organised and constituted and is run by responsible individuals, it does not matter whether it is the club or the OSC who is running the away travel.

Definitely. I have never experienced OSC travel, but I have heard the horror stories. Never for me. However, if the club properly organised it all, set-up discounts for members etc. it would be very worthwhile.

The supporters shouldn’t have to do all the work when we are the ones who pay their wages

Not sure about this, I’m sure the club could do a better job, but I’d rather away travel was run by fans

If WFC did run away travel, would you travel away more/use it more? :

Yes 41 %
No 27 %
  Possibly 13 %

OTHERS : Depends, probably, probably not


YOUR COMMENTS:

I can use business travel to get to a fair amount of away games, so didn’t use it for the six away matches I attended last season

Not if they did coaches, but yes if they arranged trains

Probably not unless it really really improved and was cheap.



A lot of people seem to suggest they would like to go, but only by train.

Do you want a club shop/ticket outlet in Wimbledon? :

Yes 77 %
Not bothered 12 %
  No 12 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


This is very important for the survival of WFC. A football club needs to be part of it´s home society. Look at the remarkable results that have been achieved by Tranmere Rovers with almost no resources. They are a natural part of the Wirral Community. When talking about the organisation of a club, I find it very strange that every club has to do it´s own mistakes (often the same as the neighbor already have done). You can learn a lot by studying the methods on other places and to get influences from what is done by others

Yes, far too much Celsi shit in Wimbledon for my liking.

I do. Although I don't live in Wimbledon, it must be hard to establish an identity when a club called Wimbledon does not even have an outlet in its "birthplace". But Wimbledon now is going to have a club shop in Wimbledon? Hurrah!

It would be nice because I would'nt have to look at any Palace scum


Irrelevant question now that the club actually have made such a commitment. Obviously its chances of survival look pretty good

If you receive Cable 17, do you watch The Wimbledon Show? :

Don't get it 80 %
Yes 13 %
  No 5 %
  Occasionally 2 %



YOUR COMMENTS:


Can someone tape it and send me the tape please? I’ll send it back after I have watched it


Unfortunately, most people don't receive Cable 17. But the interest is there (comments like the one above was quite commonplace, especially the un-named person who asked me to tape it for them.......), so all is not lost. Perhaps playing it before games, or even in the new club shop.....


Do you think that the club puts too much emphasis on "Football In The Community" at the expense of "older" fans?

No 70 %
Don't know 13 %
  Yes 11 %
  Possibly 7 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


No, FITC is a big part of getting us back to Merton

Kids are the future (what a cliché) (you said it)

it’s important to have a strong youth community coming through the ranks, and older fans aren’t really badly treated or anything…depends what you call older really!!!

The FITC scheme is outstanding, and helps to build our future fan base. Older fans will always be hard to attract (existing loyalties to other teams, other weekend commitments, etc) and one of the best ways to get them in is via their kids.

I think they are one of the best clubs for working with young fans in the country but not living to close to the area dont really see much effect

Yes - and I am a younger fan

Yes, I always thought that, but no-one agreed. When was the last time you received a birthday card from the club. A little thought goes a long way

Not sure. Love to see something that my son could goto before a home or away game.



Hmmm - surprising this one. I suppose I ought to have re-phrased the question "Do you think that WFC caters enough for anyone over the age of 13?". The FITC is getting the massive thumbs up it deserves.


Do you think that supporters associations, such as WISA or the Official Supporters Club have enough "bite" to them?

No 68 %
Yes 16 %
  Don't know 14 %
  Don't care 2 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


WISA have more bite than the OSC, but I’m not aware of too much progress with either

They never achieve anything

Needs more passion

As far as I understand the OSC is close to sleeping and WISA was founded for one single purpose. The best thing would be to restart everything with a new association closing down the two "old" ones

Due to lack of representation at club level and lack of enthusiasm from supporters

No - too clique

No - how many turned up to meet BRG at Selhurst?

Yes - WISA is the future

How much ‘bite’ can an independent organisation have?

Yes, they do a lot of very good work, I use WISA Chat. e.g the demos about not going to Dublin. They help to get the message through to the club that they have to listen to the fans and without associations like these then us fans would be powerless.

WISA desperately needs revamping. After that, it would need to really work and dig in at the local council about the ground issue. Yes, it would need to get more involved, work closer with the club and promote itself more around Merton, Kingston, Sutton etc. The OSC, IMO, does nothing for the club, and really needs to make itself more aggressive and more far-reaching to fans to show that it is working to improve the WFC situation.



As can be seen above, loads of people had something to say on this subject. I think WISA is paying for its recent dormancy, though next season should see a much higher profile. The OSC, however, is increasingly looking like a lost cause.

Do you think that WFC stewarding has improved over the last year? :

No 66 %
Don't know / no change 13 %
  Yes 9 %



YOUR COMMENTS:


It's got worse

No, especially after the way Jonesy was dealt with vs Villa!

Still major problem with away fans in away colours in the Homesdale Road end

WFC stewarding? Where? Sorry, the answer has to be ‘has it bollocks!’

I don't think it's too bad anyway

It’s NOT WFC – it’s CPFC.(sorry). And it’s crap. Stewarding as poor as that at Selhurst should not be connected to WFC in any way, shape or form.


A not particularly surprising result, especially as SP stewards walked away with "Worst Stewards" award (or should that be "dragged away"?)


Do you approve of the club dropping the CG tag? :

Yes 82 %
No 11 %
  Don't care 7 %


YOUR COMMENTS:


it was a complete and utter embarrassment, other football fans I know actually laughed when they saw we had it on our shirts. We are the Super Dons if anything, but that would be completely tacky as well

Lets all get on with the future rather than looking back to the past

The Crazy Gang spirit is gone, so why keep it for aesthetic reasons?

Definitely…it’s a Sam the Sham saying…lose it

I’ll miss it, but I won’t miss the crap printed about that 90’s crazy gang spirit

I quite liked it actually!!! It makes sense to do away with the old and bring in the new, and it was a myth to begin with really, but it was a nice tag to have…

It did look poor on the shirt, but it was also a gimmick that attracts attention to us. It was something that separates us from other clubs, something for people to look at above other London clubs. It gives us an identity of our own, something that we need right now, especially without a ground. It’s something for kids to latch on to, get involved in the club etc. If it is kept around the club in some shape or form, I won’t mind.

Yes, it is essential that we move on – just look at England. All the huffing and puffing is not enough to combat skill and technique anymore

I actually do not have a problem about the CG logo. I don't think it matters what we put on the shirt so long they stick in the badge. I am not too fuss about this kind of thing. However, if it actually offends people, we should take it off.

We need all the kids we can get supporting us…do ANY WFC fans realistically think we’ll be relocated AND re-named the Crazy Gang? Don’t be daft and get a SOH – Crazy Gang may build fans from being inspired by our recent past which is nothing to be ashamed of.



Was the "CG" logo ever that popular?

What improvements would you like to make to the running of WFC? :

Market in Australia! (fat chance)

Confiscate season tickets of the people who provide tickets for away fans in the Members Stands. I have sat in the Main Stand for 7 years, and for all the big games, us Wimbledon fans seem to be in the minority even though it is members only. I would also tell the people in the ticket office, those on the turnstiles and stewards not to allow admission to fans where away team shirt, scarf etc.. Also, I would try to recruit younger stewards, as most of the Selhurst stewards are 50+ and cannot stop trouble makers.

More openness with the fans from the Management, use money earned for the benefit of the Club rather than individual gain (no brainer this one!)

We need to adopt a more professional approach. The Season Ticket brochures looked good but only because we contracted it out to a Sheffield-based company, so we're recognising that sometimes professionals know best. The Norwegians seem to be more keen to listen to fans and that's good as well

Include tickets for early rounds of cup games in the season tickets, and sell the other tickets at half price – this may help to boost crowds. 2. Next season, no restriction on the number of extra tickets season ticket holders can buy. 3. Ticket allocations – always a mess. Not enough to Dons supporters at last years MUFC game – a few seasons ago away supporters were given just 2000 – although this problem may not arise again in the short term! Also the FAC semi, why weren’t the remaining tickets made available to season ticket holders? Old comments, I know, but it’s the ATTITUDE of the club which is at fault – lack of thinking about those who matter, i.e. the supporters!

Make sure everyone knows their role in the club, make sure Sam is nowhere near it and appoint me as master tactician on a ridiculously large salary.

Separate ticket phoneline

Run it as a professional business. Do an audit of other sports and football clubs’ marketing, PR and stage management of games and steal the best ideas eg American Football and baseball.

An owner there day in day out.

We need to create some sort of club identity that doesn’t revolve around individuals (e.g. Sam) or outdated tags (e.g. Crazy Gang), otherwise we are never going to attract any level of loyal support who are likely to renew season tickets when we are no longer playing Man U twice a season. (interesting the same person when asked about dropping CG on the shirts said "no" - no idea whether this was intentional)

Have a naughty step for 3 year olds like cort & euell

Good PR work with the media. More professionalism with the players. It is undeniable that our crowds are going to be hit dramatically next season. I know that our support has gone up but we have heavily relied on away support to boost the numbers and this isn’t going to be there next season. We have too many glamour fans of our own – the 16,000 at Villa where were they earlier on in the season especially Sheff Wed at home. Special offers need to be made to entice fans to the ground, e.g. under 16 for £1, £5 for a Sunday game – those with season tickets can get vouchers for the shop.

How about good matches of the season available on video 1 week after the match? How about a back catalogue of season videos for those who wish to see the Dons of old? Profile vids etc.

A fan’s rep on the board. Major “love-in” with merton residents



As you can see, a lot to be getting on there. The two words that kept occuring over and over again were "professional" and "openness".

Additional Comments about WFC:

The Club has been complacent for a number of years and has paid the price this season. BRG/KIR took over too late. Player power must be snuffed out before next season and the manager must be given the full backing of the players, management and supporters if any semblance of success is to be realised.

BRG and KIR will definitely use hard fists if so is found necessary in order to bring the club forward. They are football enthusiasts but not at any price - they will not accept red figures in the long run.

The general Merchandising is very poor. At virtually every away game you’d see cars sporting flags, stickers and general fanatical support of the various home clubs. But down at Wimbledon you’d be lucky to see more than a window sticker. Why is that?

We’ll be back in the Prem after next season, and then we’ll storm Europe…

We are at the crossroads.

Behind the scenes the club is still too amateurish – someone needs to be appointed to shake the place up and get rid of all of the incompetent administrators from the old days who can no longer cope. We never got our Season ticket renewal forms this year – do they want our money or not?

Ideal opportunity with PGPF to promote the club within town and get the local community behind the club.

We need a home near Wimbledon, otherwise we will never get any long-term local support.

Perhaps if we did return home and had our own ground our support would grow. A comment from my 10 year old cousin was that he wanted to support Celsi.. My uncle, dad and me asked why? He replied it’s the nearest team. !!! we have since taken him to Selhurst and he is now Yellow and Blue thank god!!

We're moving in the right direction

Still got a family atmosphere that doesn’t detract from any professionalism. I don’t see anything wrong with that and it already seems that, since Sam’s departure, things have improved and probably will keep on improving.

I’d like to see the players acknowledge the other sides of the ground not just the Holmesdale, I sit with the quiet mob, but I still shout my head off all game (and it pisses me off to be snubbed)!

Can they sort out a back catalogue for past season videos and great games/wins etc

They should look at making going to a Dons game more of a dayout for everyone, offering additional services and entertainment. If people are comfortable and doted on they are more likely to return, and bring others into the fold. A dream …… Its all about if you give the punters a day to remember instead of herding them in like cattle you give them comfort, things to do before and after the match (and I’m talking more than a crappy meal). I mean things for the kids, things for the dads, mums, general supporters etc. There are so many great things you can do that would also increase revenue. Look at what happens when you go to a sporting event in the States – it’s a bloody feast of entertainment!!! Having travelled around Europe attending lots of different sporting events (its my job) I am amazed by how bacwards we actually are in terms of entertainment.



I wonder if the club read this site.......?


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