1999-2000
NOTE: All SW19's comments are in
brown
THE CLUB
Do you think that the club is in "better hands" under BRG
than Sam Hammam? :
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Yes |
82 % |
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Unsure |
12 % |
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No |
3 % |
OTHERS : Like to think so, same
YOUR
COMMENTS:
On first impressions, only time will tell
Yes - is this a serious question?
We look like we're going to get more professional which is needed in the modern
game. We also now have serious financial clout: relegation would've been an
immediate disaster under Hammam, but now we can survive it at least for a
while
Time will tell – Rokke is probably bad news
Sam never got us in the situation that BRG have, ie Div 1
1000% so, best thing to happen in years
You have to be realistic and understand that the art of managing a football
club in 2000 is the art of doing business. Sam Hammam was too much feelings
and too little business. BRG and KIR are perhaps too much business but they
still have feelings. I believe in BRG !!!!!!
I think the club certainly has a better future under BRG. For one thing, BRG
does have a good track record and we now have a new training ground and the
general PR arrangement is improving. I think SH at one point did care about
WFC but he also has lots of ulterior motives which us supporters sometimes
cannot tell. It's a shame that he left with so much hatred and distrust from
some of our own supporters. He should have just walked away in 1997 when he
sold his shares.
Yes. Very simply put, BRG has already contributed with a training ground and
two possible sites for a ground. SH failed to do that in god knows how many
years. I also think that BRG is more interested in the team then money, and
will not sell top players for a bit of extra cash.
Had I done this poll even as recently
as January, the result would probably have been very very different.
Do
you think that we are more likely to get our own stadium now? :
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Yes |
88 % |
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Possibly |
5 % |
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Unlikely / who knows / hope so / no |
2 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
Yes - but in a few years to come
500%
Hope so - we have been at Selhurst too long now
Yes, and I expect we’ll have to anyway
In a way, yes. I think BRG and Rokke are two sound businessmen and it surely
must sound ridiculous to them that a football team does not have its football
ground. Also, there is only one way to improve the value of WFC which is to
invest properly and wisely and I reckon that in BRG's three year plan, a new
ground is envisaged.
Definitely. I believe this to be a no.1 priority for BRG, whereas Sam was
more concentrated on balancing the books and fixing (not repairing) floodlights.
BRG is certainly aware of the need for us to have our own ground and will
do whatever he can to please the fans, not himself.
Yes - isn't that a loaded question? (no, not intentionally)
Again, optimism
with a dash of caution. It seems obvious that if Hammam was the "Crazy Gang",
BRG is much more "Womble Til I Die"
Do
you think WFC's marketing has improved since this time last year? :
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Yes |
53 % |
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No |
19 % |
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Don't know |
17 % |
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No change |
10 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
Slowly but surely - st forms and promos were very promising
Yes, but it's still poor. Little things like the Puma banners outside the
ground v Aston Villa, the new Season Ticket brochure, ticker-tape v Villa,
etc show the club is more aware of the image it presents
No change, it has always been shit
Except for the ST brochure - no
While most seem to suggest it has improved,
it's clear we still have a long way to go before we start to rival Man U.
Do
you think WFC's PR has improved since this time last year? :
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No |
37 % |
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Yes |
29 % |
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Don't know |
17 % |
OTHERS : No change, a little
YOUR COMMENTS:
No, but TB and BRG seem to be fairly good on the footy side
Don't think so especially when people like Euell and Cort can still come up
with great comments like Leicester is a bigger club and I want to move there
(and I am not saying Leicester is a shit club).
No. Never been great, hasn’t improved at all. Announcements are poorly put
together, outside of the club actions that cause rumour are not formerly put
to rest by the club. No one acts as the definitive line to tell the press
exactly how it is.
We need a full-time PR person, to counteract all the rubbish that is printed
about us
Yes - marginally
No – move over Reg, give a younger man/woman a try
I think last year's debacles (plural)
made people consider just how bad WFC PR is. That said, the fact that 29%
reckon it's got better either proves that we're finally doing something right
(either that or else it couldn't have got any lower)
Do
you think that WFC needs to employ a full-time Media and PR person? :
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Yes |
88 % |
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Maybe |
7 % |
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No |
3 % |
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Depends |
2 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
No disrespect to Reg Davis, but I think it's got to be somebody who's worked
in the industry and knows how it works.
The sales department is the most important department in any business organisation
Yes - give it to Reg
What does Reg Davis do then? I don’t really think we do.
To create new fans you have to get out and push the club in the media
Now that we’re out of the limelight a bit more, it might be a good idea to
consolidate and structure (curb?) the PR side of things.
However the made-up stories may fall somewhat as we’re not a Prem team anyway
Surely playing good football would provide all the PR we need though.
I am fully prepared to take the job on myself
Such a huge margin of "victory"
must surely indicate that most readers have very little faith in the current
set-up. Believe me, this question has been put to WFC on more than
the odd occasion
Do
you think that WFC should run the away travel instead of the OSC? :
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Yes |
73 % |
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Don't know |
15 % |
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Doesn't matter |
5 % |
OTHERS : No, don't use it, maybe
YOUR
COMMENTS:
It should be subsidised to encourage more away support.
If the OSC is probably organised and constituted and is run by responsible
individuals, it does not matter whether it is the club or the OSC who is running
the away travel.
Definitely. I have never experienced OSC travel, but I have heard the horror
stories. Never for me. However, if the club properly organised it all, set-up
discounts for members etc. it would be very worthwhile.
The supporters shouldn’t have to do all the work when we are the ones who
pay their wages
Not sure about this, I’m sure the club could do a better job, but I’d rather
away travel was run by fans
If
WFC did run away travel, would you travel away more/use it more? :
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Yes |
41 % |
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No |
27 % |
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Possibly |
13 % |
OTHERS : Depends, probably, probably not
YOUR
COMMENTS:
I can use business travel to get to a fair amount of away games, so didn’t
use it for the six away matches I attended last season
Not if they did coaches, but yes if they arranged trains
Probably not unless it really really improved and was cheap.
A lot of people
seem to suggest they would like to go, but only by train.
Do
you want a club shop/ticket outlet in Wimbledon? :
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Yes |
77 % |
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Not bothered |
12 % |
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No |
12 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
This is very important for the survival of WFC. A football club needs to be
part of it´s home society. Look at the remarkable results that have been achieved
by Tranmere Rovers with almost no resources. They are a natural part of the
Wirral Community. When talking about the organisation of a club, I find it
very strange that every club has to do it´s own mistakes (often the same as
the neighbor already have done). You can learn a lot by studying the methods
on other places and to get influences from what is done by others
Yes, far too much Celsi shit in Wimbledon for my liking.
I do. Although I don't live in Wimbledon, it must be hard to establish an
identity when a club called Wimbledon does not even have an outlet in its
"birthplace". But Wimbledon now is going to have a club shop in Wimbledon?
Hurrah!
It would be nice because I would'nt have to look at any Palace scum
Irrelevant question
now that the club actually have made such a commitment. Obviously its
chances of survival look pretty good
If
you receive Cable 17, do you watch The Wimbledon Show? :
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Don't get it |
80 % |
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Yes |
13 % |
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No |
5 % |
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Occasionally |
2 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
Can someone tape it and send me the tape please? I’ll send it back after
I have watched it
Unfortunately,
most people don't receive Cable 17. But the interest is there (comments
like the one above was quite commonplace, especially the un-named person
who asked me to tape it for them.......), so all is not lost. Perhaps playing
it before games, or even in the new club shop.....
Do
you think that the club puts too much emphasis on "Football In The Community"
at the expense of "older" fans?
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No |
70 % |
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Don't know |
13 % |
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Yes |
11 % |
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Possibly |
7 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
No, FITC is a big part of getting us back to Merton
Kids are the future (what a cliché) (you said it)
it’s important to have a strong youth community coming through the ranks,
and older fans aren’t really badly treated or anything…depends what you call
older really!!!
The FITC scheme is outstanding, and helps to build our future fan base. Older
fans will always be hard to attract (existing loyalties to other teams, other
weekend commitments, etc) and one of the best ways to get them in is via their
kids.
I think they are one of the best clubs for working with young fans in the
country but not living to close to the area dont really see much effect
Yes - and I am a younger fan
Yes, I always thought that, but no-one agreed. When was the last time you
received a birthday card from the club. A little thought goes a long way
Not sure. Love to see something that my son could goto before a home or away
game.
Hmmm - surprising this one. I suppose
I ought to have re-phrased the question "Do you think that WFC caters enough
for anyone over the age of 13?". The FITC is getting the massive thumbs up
it deserves.
Do
you think that supporters associations, such as WISA or the Official Supporters
Club have enough "bite" to them?
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No |
68 % |
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Yes |
16 % |
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Don't know |
14 % |
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Don't care |
2 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
WISA have more bite than the OSC, but I’m not aware of too much progress with
either
They never achieve anything
Needs more passion
As far as I understand the OSC is close to sleeping and WISA was founded for
one single purpose. The best thing would be to restart everything with a new
association closing down the two "old" ones
Due to lack of representation at club level and lack of enthusiasm from supporters
No - too clique
No - how many turned up to meet BRG at Selhurst?
Yes - WISA is the future
How much ‘bite’ can an independent organisation have?
Yes, they do a lot of very good work, I use WISA Chat. e.g the demos about
not going to Dublin. They help to get the message through to the club that
they have to listen to the fans and without associations like these then us
fans would be powerless.
WISA desperately needs revamping. After that, it would need to really work
and dig in at the local council about the ground issue. Yes, it would need
to get more involved, work closer with the club and promote itself more around
Merton, Kingston, Sutton etc. The OSC, IMO, does nothing for the club, and
really needs to make itself more aggressive and more far-reaching to fans
to show that it is working to improve the WFC situation.
As can be seen
above, loads of people had something to say on this subject. I think WISA
is paying for its recent dormancy, though next season should see a much higher
profile. The OSC, however, is increasingly looking like a lost cause.
Do
you think that WFC stewarding has improved over the last year? :
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No |
66 % |
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Don't know / no change |
13 % |
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Yes |
9 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
It's got worse
No, especially after the way Jonesy was dealt with vs Villa!
Still major problem with away fans in away colours in the Homesdale Road
end
WFC stewarding? Where? Sorry, the answer has to be ‘has it bollocks!’
I don't think it's too bad anyway
It’s NOT WFC – it’s CPFC.(sorry). And it’s crap.
Stewarding as poor as that at Selhurst should not be connected to WFC in
any way, shape or form.
A not particularly surprising
result, especially as SP stewards walked away with "Worst Stewards" award
(or should that be "dragged away"?)
Do
you approve of the club dropping the CG tag? :
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Yes |
82 % |
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No |
11 % |
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Don't care |
7 % |
YOUR COMMENTS:
it was a complete and utter embarrassment, other football fans I know actually
laughed when they saw we had it on our shirts. We are the Super Dons if anything,
but that would be completely tacky as well
Lets all get on with the future rather than looking back to the past
The Crazy Gang spirit is gone, so why keep it for aesthetic reasons?
Definitely…it’s a Sam the Sham saying…lose it
I’ll miss it, but I won’t miss the crap printed about that 90’s crazy gang
spirit
I quite liked it actually!!! It makes sense to do away with the old and bring
in the new, and it was a myth to begin with really, but it was a nice tag
to have…
It did look poor on the shirt, but it was also a gimmick that attracts attention
to us. It was something that separates us from other clubs, something for
people to look at above other London clubs. It gives us an identity of our
own, something that we need right now, especially without a ground. It’s something
for kids to latch on to, get involved in the club etc. If it is kept around
the club in some shape or form, I won’t mind.
Yes, it is essential that we move on – just look at England. All the huffing
and puffing is not enough to combat skill and technique anymore
I actually do not have a problem about the CG logo. I don't think it matters
what we put on the shirt so long they stick in the badge. I am not too fuss
about this kind of thing. However, if it actually offends people, we should
take it off.
We need all the kids we can get supporting us…do ANY WFC fans realistically
think we’ll be relocated AND re-named the Crazy Gang? Don’t be daft and get
a SOH – Crazy Gang may build fans from being inspired by our recent past which
is nothing to be ashamed of.
Was the "CG" logo
ever that popular?
What
improvements would you like to make to the running of WFC? :
Market in Australia! (fat chance)
Confiscate season tickets of the people who provide tickets for away fans
in the Members Stands. I have sat in the Main Stand for 7 years, and for all
the big games, us Wimbledon fans seem to be in the minority even though it
is members only. I would also tell the people in the ticket office, those
on the turnstiles and stewards not to allow admission to fans where away team
shirt, scarf etc.. Also, I would try to recruit younger stewards, as most
of the Selhurst stewards are 50+ and cannot stop trouble makers.
More openness with the fans from the Management, use money earned for the
benefit of the Club rather than individual gain (no brainer this one!)
We need to adopt a more professional approach. The Season Ticket brochures
looked good but only because we contracted it out to a Sheffield-based company,
so we're recognising that sometimes professionals know best. The Norwegians
seem to be more keen to listen to fans and that's good as well
Include tickets for early rounds of cup games in the season tickets, and sell
the other tickets at half price – this may help to boost crowds. 2. Next season,
no restriction on the number of extra tickets season ticket holders can buy.
3. Ticket allocations – always a mess. Not enough to Dons supporters at last
years MUFC game – a few seasons ago away supporters were given just 2000 –
although this problem may not arise again in the short term! Also the FAC
semi, why weren’t the remaining tickets made available to season ticket holders?
Old comments, I know, but it’s the ATTITUDE of the club which is at fault
– lack of thinking about those who matter, i.e. the supporters!
Make sure everyone knows their role in the club, make sure Sam is nowhere
near it and appoint me as master tactician on a ridiculously large salary.
Separate ticket phoneline
Run it as a professional business. Do an audit of other sports and football
clubs’ marketing, PR and stage management of games and steal the best ideas
eg American Football and baseball.
An owner there day in day out.
We need to create some sort of club identity that doesn’t revolve around individuals
(e.g. Sam) or outdated tags (e.g. Crazy Gang), otherwise we are never going
to attract any level of loyal support who are likely to renew season tickets
when we are no longer playing Man U twice a season.
(interesting the same person when asked about dropping CG on the shirts said
"no" - no idea whether this was intentional)
Have a naughty step for 3 year olds like cort & euell
Good PR work with the media. More professionalism with the players. It is
undeniable that our crowds are going to be hit dramatically next season. I
know that our support has gone up but we have heavily relied on away support
to boost the numbers and this isn’t going to be there next season. We have
too many glamour fans of our own – the 16,000 at Villa where were they earlier
on in the season especially Sheff Wed at home. Special offers need to be made
to entice fans to the ground, e.g. under 16 for £1, £5 for a Sunday game –
those with season tickets can get vouchers for the shop.
How about good matches of the season available on video 1 week after the match?
How about a back catalogue of season videos for those who wish to see the
Dons of old? Profile vids etc.
A fan’s rep on the board. Major “love-in” with merton residents
As you can see, a lot to be getting
on there. The two words that kept occuring over and over again were "professional"
and "openness".
Additional
Comments about WFC:
The Club has been complacent for a number of years and has paid the price
this season. BRG/KIR took over too late. Player power must be snuffed out
before next season and the manager must be given the full backing of the players,
management and supporters if any semblance of success is to be realised.
BRG and KIR will definitely use hard fists if so is found necessary in order
to bring the club forward. They are football enthusiasts but not at any price
- they will not accept red figures in the long run.
The general Merchandising is very poor. At virtually every away game you’d
see cars sporting flags, stickers and general fanatical support of the various
home clubs. But down at Wimbledon you’d be lucky to see more than a window
sticker. Why is that?
We’ll be back in the Prem after next season, and then we’ll storm Europe…
We are at the crossroads.
Behind the scenes the club is still too amateurish – someone needs to be appointed
to shake the place up and get rid of all of the incompetent administrators
from the old days who can no longer cope. We never got our Season ticket renewal
forms this year – do they want our money or not?
Ideal opportunity with PGPF to promote the club within town and get the local
community behind the club.
We need a home near Wimbledon, otherwise we will never get any long-term local
support.
Perhaps if we did return home and had our own ground our support would grow.
A comment from my 10 year old cousin was that he wanted to support Celsi..
My uncle, dad and me asked why? He replied it’s the nearest team. !!! we have
since taken him to Selhurst and he is now Yellow and Blue thank god!!
We're moving in the right direction
Still got a family atmosphere that doesn’t detract from any professionalism.
I don’t see anything wrong with that and it already seems that, since Sam’s
departure, things have improved and probably will keep on improving.
I’d like to see the players acknowledge the other sides of the ground not
just the Holmesdale, I sit with the quiet mob, but I still shout my head off
all game (and it pisses me off to be snubbed)!
Can they sort out a back catalogue for past season videos and great games/wins
etc
They should look at making going to a Dons game more of a dayout for everyone,
offering additional services and entertainment. If people are comfortable
and doted on they are more likely to return, and bring others into the fold.
A dream …… Its all about if you give the punters a day to remember instead
of herding them in like cattle you give them comfort, things to do before
and after the match (and I’m talking more than a crappy meal). I mean things
for the kids, things for the dads, mums, general supporters etc. There are
so many great things you can do that would also increase revenue. Look at
what happens when you go to a sporting event in the States – it’s a bloody
feast of entertainment!!! Having travelled around Europe attending lots of
different sporting events (its my job) I am amazed by how bacwards we actually
are in terms of entertainment.
I wonder if the
club read this site.......?