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Loftus Road thing stinks of someone quietly trying to merge us with QPR, so beware. Not that any of our previous owners would have ever stooped to such a low after first trying it openly.
Florida John
It was David BULSTRODE - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 22:25:56 (BST)

Mac - OK then, what's Oslo in January like then? :) Though if it's January, it'll probably be Denver/Chicago.....
REPD
DD - when you say "i gotta get outa this place (whereas www is hip hop 'themed@ what is repd's house?) " what do you mean? - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 21:45:57 (BST)

barcelona...cool. been there on a freebie (when i was based in the uk last year-ish). if u r up for a beer or two ( anyone else?) lemme know. need new places to binge:) what about a madame cholet de la barca trip?
dubai don
dubai_don@hotmail.com - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 21:07:23 (BST)

I'm in Barcelona with three other wombles in September.
JC
Not Barcelona ATM unfortunatelt - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 20:37:19 (BST)

well, if anyone wants to meet up somewhere (anywhere) i'm PO'd with work and owed something like 43 days holiday. i was thinking of amsterdam, europe-wise. then there's the maldives, the us, aus (winter) goa (rainy) or, erm, ibiza i guess. oh, and the uk if any meets/jonahfests (etc) are happening.
dubai don
i gotta get outa this place (whereas www is hip hop 'themed@ what is repd's house?) - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 20:18:24 (BST)

REPD - I've been to Oslo in January if that helps :-). Actually met a couple of Wombles out there whilst on the piss as well (does anyone know Piers?)
Mac
When do Engerlund play there? - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 19:44:27 (BST)

Cheers, I want to chill on a beach for a few days but also see some cultcha hence Turkey as the obvious choice. Fortunately, I like my kebabs (even when sober) so it could be a winner!!! As an aside, has anyone been to Athens?
Mac
Sunny Epsom - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 19:39:31 (BST)

I've been to Turkey a few times, and passed through Istanbul. Seems really nice, and I've heard a lot of good things about it. The Turkish people are very friendly, and the climate is great.
Dr Womble
Thomas Cook - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 19:25:54 (BST)

Actually, whilst we're on the travel theme, anyone been to Helsinki in October? If so, are hotels cheaper around that time of year? I was going to go around now but I just cannot afford it ATM. I'm not bothered about the cold TBH, I'm planning Montreal around Dec/Jan anyway...
REPD again
Travel oh city - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 19:14:31 (BST)

Mac - I haven't been, but I think my parents have been there. I can check.
REPD
You can talk about anything on here, though you've dipped out on the politics stuff :) - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 19:12:24 (BST)

I know this is not football related but hey, it's summer!!Has anyone ever been to Istanbul? Was thinking of going for 3-4 days and then heading off on my own steam to a beach resort for around 5 days on the coast (normally all I can take lying on a beach). So, Istambul....cultural mecca or dirty shithole? Over to you...
Mac
Thomas Cook - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 18:58:08 (BST)

NS - I don't think Mr Billie Piper has quite enough money for the Spaghetti Hoops TBH...... All - I've got an idea for a front cover which could well finally get this site closed down. Believe me, it will offend even more than the "banned" one...
REPD
And some people found me slagging off REMBE/Michael Hughes as beyond contempt.... - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 17:49:42 (BST)

all right I may be clutching at straws but a white knight could possibly come in and buy qpr same as al-fyed ,a ginger dj tosser ?
NS
not west london thank god - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 15:35:59 (BST)

Northernsouler - "QPR" and "win promotion" in the same sentence? How can that be when they will have 6 full timers and a dozen under 14s to choose a team from? At the last count, they had 22 players on a Bosman at the end of the season, so unless nobody wants these out of contract players (and why would anyone want them?) how will they win a game, let alone promotion?
Secret Agent
Incredulity City - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 14:20:20 (BST)

Teacher - LR would suit me fine if it is a SHORT TERM THING ONLY. I'm not going to accept SP Mark II. Wouldn't surprise me if the LR road thing is sweetened by a new ground in or around SW19...
REPD
Bord - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 12:34:40 (BST)

as much as I would love Dons to move to West London. IT WON'T HAPPEN. 1 The site is too valuable as real estate. 2 If qpr win promotion they could hang on to the stadium.
northernsouler
SE25 - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 12:34:21 (BST)

How does everyone feel about the possibility of playing at Loftus Road? I think it will be great short-term move, easier to get to for me than Shitehurst, a small compact ground that could still have atmosphere with 6000 fans, I think.
teacher
hemel - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 12:22:48 (BST)

The Great Rangdo of Arg was never hypocritical about John Hartson. I would want him next season to be playing for us. But alas, that is not to be. I had not realised that we could claim the balance of the 5 million - at least that should be used to give Monsieur Euell a nice deal for another season. Cannot understand why noone is interested in him. However, I hope that he is not too much of a donkey to go for a deal with Spurs of the Villa; two clubs that achieve little.
The Great Rangdo of Arg
Bloemfontein Street - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 04:52:09 (BST)

My $0.02 on the info given below, after a few more swigs of Dusseldorf's finest : most of it isn't that surprising TBH, as I have said elsewhere, we still are owed quite a bit from the transfers out from last season - including JH - and �4m isn't such a stupid figure. The one that probably catches your eye (did mine) is Loftus Road. The logic behind this is that WFC want to leave SP ASAP, that's a sure mark (Jordan is trying to make our life hell there). LR is the "easy" solution, at least short term. It was "officially" our first choice in 1991 (though as we all know, Hammam was much more keen on SP because there was a nice possibility for a merger with Uncle Ron) and IMO is a better stadium for us. Now, will we have to forget a new stadium if what I've published below is true? Not necessarily, the land is VERY highly sought after property-wise, and one of the major ways of funding is housing. And you thought that David Bulstrow was dead and living in a coffin?
REPD
Humming Grateful Dead tunes and subsequently growing his hair long - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 23:22:59 (BST)

Right, rather than have to send out half a dozen emails to the curious, here's what the email says : Euell is quite likely to go for �5m, we'll get �4m to spend. Hughes may go as he is our most expensive player and does not fit into Terry's plans. We're going all out for the Prem this year as it's the last year of the umbrella. Hunt is gone. Almost signed Dean Holdsworth on a free, but his missus persuaded him to stay on in Bolton (they haven't moved up there, draw your own conclusions). And the very interesting bit - It is still possible we will buy the QPR ground - they will be taken to Milton Keynes - we would not move until next year. Before you jump to conclusions about this last bit, IMO Loftus Road would eventually be sold off to developers to fund the DonDome. Further to this, the MK consortium have just increased their offer to �7.5m for QPR.....
REPD
Who shouldn't really be doing this, but still - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 23:14:08 (BST)

REPD - come on then ... let me in on the secret. You have my e-mail dude. Also, a small addition to my ESOP, you might like to add one of them icons to the site, you know, the ones that show up on the location bar and bookmarks.
JC
Revision Central - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 23:02:21 (BST)

Ali - drop me an email...
REPD
Drinking Felsgold again - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 22:41:03 (BST)

GBLB - I haven't received my renewal form yet either!
Secret Agent
Unworried as I used the form in my daughter's Womble Club envelope! - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 20:04:07 (BST)

REPD: "I have in my possession an email from a thing off W&WW's guestbook. **VERY** interesting...". Could u kindly elaborate?
Ali
- Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 12:35:25 (BST)

Wandle - it's that thing called "hindsight". If you read on in the archives, you'll see that I get very fed up with him very quickly - the turning point is Preston away last season. Also read what I wrote in the articles section..... GBLB - no, I can't explain why TB wants to keep Ardley, though the last person he talked up in such high terms was, er, John Hartson..... Rango - Jayne Middlemiss, utterly delightful presenter on yoof programming. Geordie lass. Try http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/cinerama/classic/279/oops_jayne_middlemiss5.html . Hartson doesn't have a sign-on clause BUT any money that Coventry still owe up - and it DOES total up to �5m - will have to be paid to us anyway, regardless of who he ends up playing for. So in effect we have only lost �2.5m on him... Oh, and I have in my possession an email from a thing off W&WW's guestbook. **VERY** interesting...
REPD
Sorting out people's polls - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 10:42:50 (BST)

The post I made last night was talking about your raves about super John? come on dude explain.
Wandle
The sly one last night was a BIFTA - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 10:10:22 (BST)

REPD, who is Ms Middlemiss? Keeper, apologies for the lack of controversy. Unfortunately, it is only WFC that is worth getting worked up about, so we will have to wait for next season before the crap starts flying again. However, wait! What's all this guff about keeping Ardley and at the same time going on about how Jason can leave if we get an offer for him. Was I hearing this right. Surely we should be flogging of Ardley for whatever we can get (which will be more than we got for Hartson, sad but true) and doing our utmost to pander to the Euell. Finally, do we still get 15000 sovs if Hartson plays for a new club, ie was there a sale on clause. The worst football deal I can ever remember.
The Great Rangdo of Arg
Scotch Corner - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 06:47:30 (BST)

Please tell me that Burton is not going to give Ardley a new (and I guess improved) contract. Given that he favoured him over Ainsworth and occasionally even Trond last season, I think the ramifications of such a move could be very worrying. And am i the only one not to receive a season ticket renewal form yet?
Greg Berry's Left Boot
Do I really have to ring up the box Office for a second year in a row. - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 02:38:46 (BST)

REPD I have been checking out your Archives news section from October 99 and you are talking about How A) West ham were dumb for letting him go and B) How much we have bought him on. WTF? Explain
Wandle
Tired, but just had a sly one, got a mess to clear up now! Bollocks - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 01:35:57 (BST)

CUN Womble - errr ... what? OK, WFC-related topics to discuss: first choice starting XI and formation, possible players in/out, preferred fixture list, moving to the WGS, etc. Now tell me why we should be talking about the state of the country under Labour, when there are more pressing issue to worry about ;-)
JC
Was drinking a cheap French lager from Tesco, but had to stop as I remembered I had to drive round to the missus' - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 01:08:40 (BST)

Oh, if anyone is bored, and you haven't done so already, why not fill in the SW19's ARMY End Of Season Poll? It will certainly tax your brain. Did me, and I wrote the bloody thing....
REPD again
Actually, this Felsgold is better than I expected - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 22:27:36 (BST)

CUNW - "incidentally I don't buy hte theory that if we sell Jason Terry will get all the money to spend on a like for like replacement". Maybe not, but there's the remainder of the money from last year's transfers which have still to be paid. Without having access to WFC transfer account, I would wager that there probably can be �4m made available in some way shape or form. This does pre-suppose that somebody actually WANTS Euell...
REPD
Fast becoming the North American tourist guide on WISA Chat - anyone want info on Philadelphia? Or Savannah? Or Niagara, NY? - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 22:20:40 (BST)

J.C. if we want to talk about the state of WISA presumably this is the palce to do it. I am gettign the distinct impression from both sites that htere is an awful lot of boredom amongst wombles. Better not tell C.K. that because he's bound to come up with some weird and wacky idea to keep us busy over the summer. Lets hope he concenrtates on buying a couple of extra players, shifting out the deadwood, and keeping Euell, incidentally I don't buy hte theory that if we sell Jason Terry will get all the money to spend on a like for like replacement but lets see
c.u.n. womble
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 20:14:04 (BST)

I'm with JC on this one - can we please knock the politics stuff on the head now. The election is over, the debates were stimulating without being slagfests, but now it's just getting repetitive. This is a cease and desist letter.
REPD
Drinking this rather obscure German beer called Felsgold - �9 for 24 bottles in Makro, and actually it ain't bad - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 19:37:26 (BST)

AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Please can we talk about something other than politics? If you want to talk about the state of the country, take it to WISA, please!!
JC
:-( - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 17:47:16 (BST)

It can't be denied that Labour inherited an economy in a cracking state.. fair enough they haven't fooked it up, but would you really expect them to have screwed up?
Dr Womble
off out in a bit - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 14:15:33 (BST)

i maintain that the decent state of the economy is more in spite of labour's interventions, and not because of them. things we have discussed on here previously (lottery, students, pensions, transport policy, indirect taxation etc etc) do little to improve the life of the average voter in the long-term. btw trust me, kennedy is a bit of a pisshead and doesn't do more than he has to behind the scenes - sounds like a decent bloke to me :)
dubai don
repd, decentralisation - such as the sweaties have got? doesnt that increase bureacracy? have to remove layers at the same time i reckon. - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 12:03:32 (BST)

And if Kennedy is a drunken slob etc, maybe thats the secret as he sounded more reasonable than the other 2.
teacher
hemel - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 11:19:42 (BST)

DW - the UK is one of the big economies :) Interest rates are set to manage inflation, this can create regional anomalies, dealing with this is going to be one of the EU's biggest challenges. Greater democratic accountability will be required IMO, political integration is around the corner, fancy a job as EU President anyone?
vlad
This is a debate for serious economists, I'm off. - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 11:17:46 (BST)

Don't necessarily agree with Dubai Don about people being less politically educated/minded. I've spoken to many who made a conscious and well reasoned decision to vote for no one.
don't tell my boss I'm using the internet
Hemel - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 11:16:49 (BST)

Vlad - if we join the Euro and rates are set to help Germany and France, then we'll be screwed. It will be exceptionally difficult to get interest rates at the right level across Europe, so in effect they will simply look out for the bigger economies. On a smaller scale, this has happened in the UK, when rates were set to help the South East, thereby screwing Scotland.
Dr Womble
not a Euro sceptic, but these things have to be considered - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 10:54:11 (BST)

Ali - well said. DD I just hope Labour keep on screwing up the economy, I hate low interest rates and full employment - and now that he City has discounted Euro membership and the pound has dropped to a 15 year low with the dollar, manufacturers/exporters will begin to revive and prosper.
vlad
barring global recession that is - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 10:40:26 (BST)

i think the tories did quite well actually. considering they have done fuck all over the last 4 years, i reckon they did well to retain so many seats. history shows that dissillusionment for the two main parties (labour trying to fuck the economy and the tories boring everyone to death) leads to the rise of a third party. no surprise the libs did so well, but i reckon they could/should have done a lot better. shame kennedy is a lazy drunken slob really - could have been interesting. one thought (and i dont include u guys in this) are the general public less educated in politics nowadays? could explain the lack of interest/turnout - but is this a fault in the educational system or merely a ploy by the establishment to stop the many entering (manipulating) the system?
dubai don
tax? wtf is tax? - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 10:19:17 (BST)

Don't get us started on Mrs F*****g T...I might end up breaking some windows in anger.
at work
hemel - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 09:01:44 (BST)

Hear Hear! It was Mrs F***ing T that reduced the NHS and the Rialways to their sorry state, through lack of funding.
Lord Frorida John of Walton -on- Thames
Ghost Town Dallas - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 01:51:29 (BST)

I see that politics has re-surfaced onto SW19s army. OK then, well here is my take. Blair has once again won an absolute land slide victory (record majority for party in second successive term). The turnout was shit. William Hague resigned. I think this "turnout" was more to do with the result being a foregone conclusion than anything else. Blair has held a consistant lead of aove 10 points in the opinion polls since the capaign. If anyone actually genuinly thought the Toryscum would gain 179 new seats and then an extra 70 to get a decent majority, what fucking world do you live on? Much of the Tory campaign was centralised around issues such as asylum, Europe and tax (notice how they barely touched public services- people in general do not have short memories....and the present state of Britains public services is not due to the last 4 years.....it is due to the last 30 years. The tories have been in power for 24 of the last 30 years). In the cold light of day, the Tories have themselves to blame for this. Their ridiculous policy on the euro, their negative campaign (though Blair did have a negative campaign as well), William Hague and their right wing attitudes do not fit in a modern day Britain. If they are going to have an even remote chance of coming back, they have to change. A big change ala Old Labour-New Labour. They need to move closer to the centre, its as simple as that. ATM, they are just a bunch of out-dated bigots. For Blair, he now MUST deliver. I would say more, (an I have a lot to say), but I IZ bein called. Gotta rush fellas. ON MY WAY TO CARDIFF IN A COUPLE OF HOURS.
Ali
off to Cardiff in a few hours, to see pakistan vs Australia. If anyone watches it, look out for the geaser in a Wimbledon top. - Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 01:34:54 (BST)

Before anyone else goes into mental retard mode, can I just point out you are ALL traceable? Thank you.
REPD
Having unclean thoughts re: Jayne Middlemiss - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 19:44:33 (BST)

It is my to say what I think, and torys me thinks will get in next time, givingblair a lanslide again has given him the chance to fuck about, you wait and see...
adam(superdon)
eh - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 19:29:14 (BST)

SHUT DA FUCK UP ADAM, U SOUTHERN TWAT. HOPE U GET RAPED BY POMPEY FANS
Womble Sod
SOUTH-WEST LONDON - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 19:15:28 (BST)

TERRY BURTON says he hopes that Neal Ardley will sign a new deal with the Dons, although he admitted that money could well be a stumbling block. "Neal is a player I rate very highly and really want to keep, although I appreciate that financially he is needs to find the right deal, especially as this could be his last big contract as player," he said. "He is a free agent and can speak to other clubs now but I want to keep him and I hope next season he will be a Wimbledon player." Another player Terry is desperate to keep hold of is Jason Euell but despite constant speculation in the press, the club have yet to receive a firm bid for the former England under-21 international. "Jason wants to play at a higher level but no-one yet has come in and tried to sign him," he said. "It is one thing wanting to leave a club, but it is another factor if no-one comes in to buy you. "Jason came off the transfer list at the end of last season but to be honest the situation hasn't really changed. "He was basically saying he was willing to come off the list until the end of the season and then we would take it from there. "His commitment all season has been first class and I couldn't ask any more from him. He scored 20 goals and worked very hard for the team all season I was delighted with him." Terry has some money to play with in the summer but he is well aware that this budget may very well depend on whether Jason stays at the club. "Obviously if another club matches the value we put on Jason's head then I will have more money to play with. My plan was to always bring another striker to the club but if he goes then I will have to sign another." Terry also admitted that the summer may be a busy time with a few players possibly leaving the club. "I still feel we need three players to have a side that can really compete next season. Hopefully I can bring them in and that may mean a few players leaving," he said. "Next season is a vital season for us, and hopefully with the right squad and style of play, we can get back to the Premier League. To do that I may have to offload some old faces and bring in some new ones."
Womble Sod
nowhere - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 19:13:35 (BST)

Wandle - did Dr W get you any of those solids you wanted? :)
REPD
Cindy takes it in the mouth, do dar.... - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 17:15:23 (BST)

Adam(superdick) Shut up you pratt.
Wandle
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 17:13:32 (BST)

Im tory till i die, tory till i die, cos all i am, im sure i am is tory till i die. Sang last night at sandra gidley at 7.30 am who lives down my road, he he he
adam(superdon)
eh - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 16:35:40 (BST)

SA - I don't believe that there would ever be the same level of taxation here as in Sweden because (a) as you say, nobody's that confident in public services, and (b) it's not in the UK people's general psyche to pay high tax. Of course, everyone SAYS they would pay higher tax, but watch people's opinions suddenly change when taxes DO go up....
REPD again
Oh, why am I always doing this? - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 16:26:49 (BST)

GBLB - "is it probably a bit unfair of me to compare the two countries, just as a lot of people, including me, unfairlly usually label all Americans as retards". Many Americans are provincial but don't really need to be fik. Problem is their meeja, which is so dumbed down anyway it's unreal. Whenever a govt gets about 25% of the entire country's vote as a mandate, it spells trouble for them. Why? Because if the other party gets it act together and start reaching those people who (a) voted against them, or (b) didn't vote at all then opinion polls and electoral success can collapse very easily and very quick. I guarantee that one of the Tory final two will be either Michael Xavier San Miguel Barcelona Portillo or Ken "Forest" Clarke. Don't rule out a deal between them.
REPD
Better off typing because his voice has gone - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 16:23:58 (BST)

Secret agent - I certainly can testify that it is a bloody hard slog to the coal face. I am as ever bemused by the fact that people refuse to listen to me when I try to tell them about how fucked the health service is. It is positively ostrich like, and tribal politics at it's very worst.
Dr Womble
Ken Clarke to lead the Tories please - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 15:57:15 (BST)

GBLB - I agree with everything you posted! Fair and objective precis of a number of scenarios. I don't believe that the UK will ever get to the tax levels of Sweden to pay for Education, Transport and Health purely because the electorate (or those that are prepared to vote from the electorate) do not have the confidence that the additional funds would improve things to a level where the majority were satisfied with the improved services. The NHS could have five times the funding that it has had over the past four years (and before, I'm not knocking Labour here) and it would still be a nightmare to run because it has become too big and any problems associated with it become big problems. As a nation of diverse race and creed, we are too impatient and this is why it is probably better that Labour has a second term than the Tories regaining power. Part of the problem with the NHS is that many people form their views of it through second hand information/experience. For example, how many people actually go to hospital for treatment in a year as a percentage of the population? Use each attendee once only even if they visit every day of the year. I would estimate that perhaps 10% of the population? In this case, there is a lot of rumour and opinion spouted based on the quality of the hospital, the staff and the facilities/waiting time. The media does nothing to improve the perception of the problem and the politicians either a) throw money at the problem year after year, b) state that the bureaucracy is killing the service or c) propose that the private sector should provide relief to those who need help, thus easing the NHS burden. Many companies now provide Private healthcare as part of the remuneration package, so there is the opportunity to work both systems together for the benefit of the comsumer. But it is a long way off, as Dr Womble will be able to testify, it takes a fair number of years to bring qualified staff through to the coal face that is A&E, ITU and the wards. Let's hope that things do improve and the electorate can be won over in the argument for higher taxes to pay for something they can actually see is improving. We live in hope!
Secret Agent
Shoot, shoot,shoot and kill the natives - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 15:01:34 (BST)

REPD. Swedish people (I lived there for a while) by and large (including small businessmen) accept the high levels of taxation because of the good that they see the state doing. Even PJ O Rourke (the intelligent US version of Richard Littlejohn) was genuinely impressed when he visited. But is it probably a bit unfair of me to compare the two countries, just as a lot of people, including me, unfairlly usually label all Americans as retards (although it is very tempting) because of the huge size differentials. I was genuinely shocked how bad the Tories did, as like you, I thought the opinion polls were underestimating Tory support and that Hague would go some way to inspiring his core support to vote. The Tories will have to switch back to central ground, and undergo the same painful tranisition Labour underwent post 83. That will mean dropping the fervenet anti-Eu intergration stance, and trying to become more appealing to middle Britain by not banging on about issues such as asylum. It will have to be Clarke or Portillo, becuase if it is Widdecombe or Duncan Smith, then Labour could revert to being the natural party of govt for this century. Yes the turnout was shocking, and another thing to bear in mind, is that the turn out figure is based only on those who were registered to vote. So, you can add about another 5-10% for people not even registered, which gives Labour a mandate of about 15-20% of all people eligible to vote in the country. But due to the bizare nature of our voting system, Labour could go on winning elections with a much lower mandate. If I were the Tories, i'd think hard about the need for PR. Casale may not make a huge difference, but its probably better to have somone supportive than say Olga Maitland..but the key remains Merton council. Finally, I hear we linked with sigining Wayne Collins on a free. According to teletext he is 32. I hope TB knows what he is doing here because I don't want to see another Selley/Thomas scenario, and I'd like to less much less of Roberts next season.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
At home - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 14:13:13 (BST)

JC - I don't dislike Burstow and I don't like Maitland, but I do want a full time MP to represent me and Burstow doesn't fit this requirement. I think that there was a lot of tactical voting in Sutton, Kingston and Guildford because the Labour vote (what there was of it) didn't have to worry about keeping Blair at Number 10. Have to say, though that I was impressed by Charles Kennedy, such a shame that he is a sweaty, living almost as far away from Westminster as it possible to be ;-)) !
Secret Agent - again
Reconnaisence duty, up at 5.30..... - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 13:57:59 (BST)

Northernsouler - very interesting stats. Watch these get reversed the season after next when we are playing Prem football and your lot are plying their trade at QPR, Tranmere and Wigan amongst others. I predict that in four years time, Rushden and Diamonds will be in a higher division than your bunch of overpaid wasters!
Secret Agent
Statistic prediction Central - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 13:53:49 (BST)

A certain ratio 17200 : 7500
Northernsouler
SE25 (spoilt vote majority) - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 11:21:58 (BST)

JC - oh well, that's her political career over then. I still stand by everything I wrote below though.
REPD
Off to look at yet another fucking telly - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 11:13:38 (BST)

SA - "One Paul Burstow, there's only one Paul Burstow ..." A majority of around 4000 in Sutton and Cheam, double his majority last time round. My Mum was doing the counting at Westcroft, and said that Ulga Maitland's speach included "I just want to say how much I love Sutton". Err ... oh well, it's a shame Sutton doesn't love her. Burstow's a good man, and I'm sure if you contact him about the wheelie bins, he'll be happy to help.
JC
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 11:08:43 (BST)

Well, I stayed up until I found out Casale regained Wimbledon (I honestly doubt if he makes that much difference IMO - the desire for a new ground comes from WFC). Other thoughts on the election : b--a--d result for the Conservatives, but if it means Ken Clarke/Portillo becoming party leader, it may ultimately be worth it. Especially as Clarke (who I met at the Elephant and Castle once) has now started becoming more pessimistic about joining the Euro. Turnout was AWFUL, there isn't that much endorsement for Blair really (a thought shared by Tony Benn of all people). Lib Dems did very well, Kingston could become another Bermondsey for them. I honestly believe though that the political landscape will be vastly different next election, especially if the Tories re-centralise...
REPD
Enjoying a cup of tea - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 09:20:17 (BST)

JC - at least Casale retained his seat in SW19!
Secret Agent
Stayed up til 3.40 to watch things unfold - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 08:50:23 (BST)

I see the Tories are doing well then ;-)
JC
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 01:14:59 (BST)

Its a bit cold though, and I have lived there. Tack!
Florida John
Not Malmo - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 23:21:24 (BST)

REPD: Sweden has first class health care, as a result and not the rip off situation that exists here (and you still wait like the NHS, and worse). Also the people are some of the nicest in the World and they easily have the best looking Women. So there!!
Malmo John aka Florida John
Wishing he was in Sweden and not this State full of thick Nazis, if Chelsi ever want a US tour they would pick up a lot of fans here. - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 23:20:00 (BST)

Secret Agent - likewise I have used the tiny world email.
North Cheam Womble
NC - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 21:51:07 (BST)

NCW - check your mail fella!
Secret Agent
Home, but not alone! - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 21:37:43 (BST)

Secret Agent - Sorry to read about your job loss I had no idea!! I have left a message for you on WWW guestbook, but I am sure we can arrange for a beer or two!! I am back i NC and will speak to u soon!!
North Cheam Womble
North Cheam Womble - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 20:06:03 (BST)

I once saw a program about council elections in Sedgefield and Salford. Basically, the (Labour) councillors there treated their constituents like absolute shit, no matter what their complaint was. Worse was the backscratching going on. No wonder those sort of places are declining day by day if that's what goes on. I wouldn't actually like to live in Finland or Sweden - if they did the same level of taxation here as they did there the government would be toppled forthwith... GBLB - no I haven't. I think he's right though, you need some sort of mechanism to keep things in check - *BUT* IME there is too much form filling in to do etc which doesn't protect anyone (except the jobs of those who demand the forms in the first place, of course). He sounds quite a sound guy though.
REPD
Who prefers Calvin Klein - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 19:43:36 (BST)

Democratic socialism is alive and well, in power in the UK, France and Germany. The left�s enemies always tried to portray socialism and sovietism as the same thing � it isn�t. I won�t recite the Labour Party constitution to you, but its there � trust me. On deprived areas, this sucks because its spin, but � �there�s a lot to do, a lot more to be done� sums it up for me.
vlad
I was always more of a Rousseau man myself , although Tom Paine seemed to get it about right. - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 19:18:00 (BST)

Vlad. I suggest you should take a trip to Newport sometime, or Oldham, and you'll see from the decay why many believe that Labour has abandoned its heartlands, because it knows it takes people's support for granted. As for socialism, well it died long ago with the demise of Communism in eatern Europe. The nearest any politcial parties come to it now in the Western World is some pallid form of Social Democracy, which actually works quite well in many parts of Northern Europe (I'd much rather live in Finland or Sweden than the USA). But anyone who thinks that market solutions necessarily work better should also look at Eastern Euopre for the inequities of such a system. Finally REPD have you ever read any Max Weber, the German social theorist. You''d identify with his despair of bureaucracy in the modern world, but he also concluded that bureaucracy, crudely summarizing here, is the basis for the success of capitalistic economies, and without it the whole edifice of market economies would collapse.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
About to leave and vote - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 19:06:45 (BST)

Keeper - or a sad reflection on human nature.
REPD
This without a doubt has to be THE longest close season I can ever remember. - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 17:27:30 (BST)

SA, A sad reflection on our society.........
Keeper
...but theres always beer ; ) - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 17:01:27 (BST)

Vlad/Keeper/REPD - it's the hardworking families that always suffer inequality purely and simply because they don't have the time to learn how to screw the system! I spent two hours today at the Job Centre trying to maintain payment of my NI contribution whilst I am between jobs. I stated quite clearly that I didn't want any money paid to me by the State as I have a redundancy package to keep the wolves from my door. After filling in twenty five pages of detail on my employment history and attitude towards finding new employment, I was at pains to remind the Employment Officer that I merely wanted to pay my stamp, not get paid dole money. A stunned look met me and twenty seconds later, I had the number for NI in Kingston and have arranged to pay my stamp by direct debit. My point is that the officers were clearly surprised that somebody wanted to find out how to contribute rather than rip the system off! I have the time to study how it is done at length, but cannot be bothered, even though I know someone who gets over �400 per week in benefits and cannot be arsed to get a job (goes to all the interviews for �12,000pa jobs though! Where is the incentive to make it beneficial to work? Whatever happened to Frank Field? Did he have the solution to the problem, but got moved out because the pill was too hard to swallow? Will we ever know? How many really care?
Secret Agent
Hello hooray I'd prefer the plague - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 16:45:51 (BST)

All - little word of warning, if you want to get your politicalised potshots in on each other, do so before tomorrow as I'll be trimming the guestbook yet again come tomorrow morning. This hopefully will speed it up a bit...
REPD again
Gobsmacked at the size of it - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 16:29:24 (BST)

Vlad - here's a thought for you. Do you think that the "few" who you refer to are there simply because they've managed to exploit the system far better than the "many"? If so, doesn't that totally fuck up the notion of redistribution of wealth?
REPD
The WFC fan vs Celsi fan works every single time.... :) - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 16:21:34 (BST)

Keeper - I prefer to look not at the exceptions given on today's society. A fair system of social justice would expose the cheats as more people began to feel included rather than excluded and as the standards of education for all improved. My viewpoint is re-distribution to exactly those hard working families that you describe. Any system will be exploited, the balance of the argument for me, is to the many not the few. REPD - I'll have to become a fascist when it comes to football then :)
vlad
off to be active - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 16:12:57 (BST)

Vlad - my $0.02 on all this : "democratic socialism" - don't like Socialism, any doctrine that even remotely suggests that a WFC fan and a Celsi fan are equal should be avoided at all costs. "re-distribution of wealth" - sounds nice in principle, extremely difficult in practice. "social justice" - agreed, "full employment" - again, sounds nice in theory..., "trade union rights" - won't disagree providing it doesn't get stupid like it did in the 70s, "progressive foreign and aid policies" - OK, "human rights" - OK, "mutuality" - makes no difference IMO, "devolved power" - only as a replacement to bureaucracy not an addition, "equal opportunity" - and also equal opportunity to fail (that's the Darwinist coming out in me), "free health care" - difficult one : a stark choice will have to be made about the NHS in the future. Will a 2 tier system save it from collapsing under its own weight?, "rights matched by responsibilities" - agree 200%, "opposition to racism and sexism" - agree, but no positive discrimination. FTR, I believe in minimal government.
REPD
There's a rumour going around Thailand, about Noddy the dirty little man - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:49:29 (BST)

Vlad Wouldn't you say that the redistribution of wealth was a 'Social injustice' if it was taken from a guy who worked hard for twenty years from dawn to dusk to provide a better future for his family and given to some fat assed racist slob who hadn't done a days work in his life, just creamed off those who had? Not a political statement from me just a question from the curious! And another, With human nature being what it is can far left political (comunism/socialism) work? Bearing in mind the trend of many of the Eastern European political climates in the last ten years(Russia accepted).
Keeper
Getting dragged in - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:44:55 (BST)

GBLB - I don't think Labour have abandoned them. We're still re-distributing wealth and have policies that are geared to providing security and opportunity for the working class. The labour movement is a pluralistic force that is rallied behind a leader who has brought unprecedented success. Its powerful enemies use every lie possible to undermine it, but the values I put forward are shared by all who work within it - even Peter Mandelson.
vlad
I voted for Ken, why almost? - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:34:51 (BST)

Some of the values I hold dear - democratic socialism, re-distribution of wealth, social justice, full employment, trade union rights, progressive foreign and aid policies, human rights, mutuality, devolved power, equal opportunity, free health care, rights matched by responsibilities, opposition to racism and sexism.
vlad
for the record - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:25:13 (BST)

Yes, I am a Tory Boy! This despite the fact that I had no intention of voting until just last week, and despite the fact that I would have voted Labour in 1997. Man, you're sharp.
Dr Womble
off to vote Tory - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:24:52 (BST)

Dr Womble. I undertsand now, you are a Tory Boy, although you do not want to come across that way. If you were really objective, you'd be ringing up all 3 parties and challenging their back of the envelope policies, not just Labour. You might want to ask the Tories how they plan to cut taxes by 8 billion, yet maintain Labour's spending commitments on the NHS and education, whilst also being able to afford to detain all new asylum seekers. Or you might want to ask the Liberal Democrats, what they are going to do on the West Lothian question. But then if you did that, you might realise that politics is all about managing failure, and not be so convinced that Mr Hague's policies will be panaceas. At least Vlad is honest, although he may want to address the slight contradiction that Labour has abandoned the very people it was set up to serve. Secret Agent, I take my hat off to you on the ground front, as I do anyone who makes an effort. You then earn the right in my view to slag off CK next time we are linked with a move to Loftus Road or a merger, or being shutned off to an eyesore like MK. But I still think there is too much quietism from our fans, and yes I'm as guilty as the rest.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
Anyone know when we're officially going to be shot of Ardley? - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:23:06 (BST)

Au contraire, I would have voted for Blair in 1997 if I had been of voting age, and I almost voted for Ken Livingstone in the mayoral election. Admittedly he isn't in the Labour party anymore, but still.
Dr Womble
making my point - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:20:39 (BST)

DW - admit that you would never vote Labour. There is nothing undemocratic or tribal about voting in line with your beliefs and principles. If the Tories ever changed so much that they were also in line with those values, then I would re-consider. But it aint going to happen, is it?
vlad
spotting the Tories at my polling station - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:13:21 (BST)

Keeper, Vlad stated that he would never vote Tory under any circumstances - that doesn't make for a balanced political climate. I urge people to carefully consider each party's policies before they vote. Vlad is doing nothing of the sort, and it wouldn't matter if the Conservatives moved further left than labour, he would still never vote for them, simply because they are the Conservatives.
Dr Womble
off out in a bit - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:11:30 (BST)

GBLB, What exactly are you doing to help us get our own home again and how can I help. If you have any reasonable ideas that are sensible and would really help I'm bob on to be proactive. Probably most people here were at the demo's last season so technically we were doing something!! SA- The council do make a weekly collection it's just that one week is for re-cycling! Doc, surely you are mistaken because that sounds like democracy to me, voting for whoever the hell you like. Rangdo - Wearn't you begging to be let back on the w&ww a few weeks back. Maybe you just aint controversial enough to invoke the bloodlust anymore?
Keeper
C'mon you dogs, shoot me down - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:08:54 (BST)

Greg, in an effort to convince you that I'm not a "Tory Boy" I put my two primary reasons for voting Tory down. It doesn't mean that I don't agree with some on the Tory policies, in particular those on health. If you're interested, go read wisa. For the record, I have read both the Tory and the Labour manifestos, and parts of the Lib Dem. I have even been ringing the Labour help line to challenge some of their policies. I honestly can't be arsed to attempt to persuade any of you to vote Tory, because it wouldn't work. Vlad - you succintly stated all that is wrong with British politics when you said "I would never ever vote Tory". Tribalism rules, not democracy.
Dr Womble
with other things on my mind - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 14:44:54 (BST)

DW - it wan't me, was it? I confess I haven't read the manifestoes (?), and I don't believe you have. FWIW I shall be voting Labour as I have for the last 29 years. I vote Labour because my heart tells me to do so. I believe in the values of the Labour movement and TBF I always will. In your myriad posts you very rarely seem to attempt to persuade others to change their views, merely to berate them for not hating Blair. I don't need to read the Tory manifesto, I know exactly what they intend to do if given power. I don't want this country to move further to the right. I may not agree with everything that Labour has done or will do, but I will never, ever vote Tory.
vlad
nervous about Roger's result - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 14:19:35 (BST)

GBLB - re the Charlton scenario. I responded to an invitation to help WISA in the pursuit of a new ground that was posted in W&WW afew weeks ago. I have heard nothing back and am therefore doing little to help, despite making myself available for an undisclosed amount of activity! I do not like using WISA chat as it confuses the hell out of me, but other than that, I have been proactive and am prepared to continue being so as long as my unemployed status allows!
Secret Agent
Making a point and agreeing with GBLB - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:58:44 (BST)

JC - 200 yards past the Gander on the right! Burstow has not done a good job for Sutton and Cheam IMO. He is a councillor and an MP (giving 50% of his time to each, rather than 100% to one or the other) and has voted against his own council as an MP on at least a dozen occasions in this parliament! I am also fed up with having my household rubbish sitting around for two weeks before it is collected. S&C is the only London borough which does not have weekly collections of its rubbish!!
Secret Agent - again
At home - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:54:28 (BST)

Dr Womble. You said in an earlier post you were voting Tory because you've read all of the manifestoes, and claimed theirs had the best policies. You've now completely contradicted yourself by saying you're voting Tory, because you want to reduce Blair's majority and the Lib Dem MP is in your words useless (is it Simon Hughes you're referring to, if so then there is a separte debate to be had). So, if I've managed to offend you, then it is only going on your first reasoning (which is patently bollocks) rather than your second, which indeed does not make you a Tory Boy. REPD, if everyone at Charlton sat around grouching about needing to go back to the Valley but did not do anything, they would not be where they are now. If WFC fans do not do something active to help CK, then we're fucked IMO.
Greg Berry's LEft Boot
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:54:09 (BST)

The Great Rangdo of Arg is sad to announce that he has decided to resign from posting on Mr Joneseys web-site until the new season. Grossly dull is an understatement. Noone has anything of interest to say - at least you guys spoil your vote! I voted labour in Putney for the first time in my life. Sad to admit that I voted for Mellor 8 years ago. Now that's enoug for me to get banned from this site as well. I hate summer!
The Great Rangdo of Arg
London Bridge - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:24:16 (BST)

Ever been to an England game fellas? I went to England vs SPain @ the Villa. It was like the mental aylums had kicked everyone out for the day to watch the game! surrounded by complete morons. Perfect example was that Pompey Chimes twat was there with his f#ckin schoolbell and the bloke behind me was 25 stone & ate crisps for the entire game occassionally shouting rude things about Spaniards. D'oh!
Sparks
Mu Mu Land - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:18:52 (BST)

Greg - I'm boting Tory for two reasons: 1)I want to cut Blair's majority. 2)Our current Lib Dem MP is useless. I wasn't going to vote at all until last week, so to call me a Tory Boy is rather rude. If you ever went to wisa, you would be more able to understand my voting intentions. I get rather bored making the same post in two guest books I'm afraid.
Dr Womble
killin' time - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:15:26 (BST)

SA - I assume you're part of the same electoral district as I am. In which case you should be bigging up the man Paul Burstow, and giving a big thumbs down to Ulga Maitland. TBH, all the parties are as bad as one another, but from a local point of view, Paul Burstow has done Sutton and Cheam very well IMO.
JC
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:01:23 (BST)

GBLB - having read many of Dr W's postings on his voting intentions, I can definitely see why he's voting the way he does. Not everyone who votes for a particular party is a supporter of that particular party, indeed it may just be because it's against another particular party. As for the point you made re: voting. Yes, as far as I'm concerned providing you pay your taxes and actually contribute to the slush fund of this country you have a right to complain without having to put a little X on a piece of paper to justify it. Same principle IMO with CK - providing you pay your dough you do have a big say. After all, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
REPD
Cricket's on this afternoon... - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:00:34 (BST)

SA - I'm the other side of GGL I'm afraid. You know Angel Hill? Not far from there. Maybe a bit longer than 5 minutes TBH, but I drive there usually anyway, as I have a mate that lives literally a minute from the ground. What part of GGL do you hail from then? The Gander? or further into Cheam?
JC
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:57:06 (BST)

Dr Womble. I've read all of the 3 manifestoes, and as is always the case with manifestoes, it is all back of the envelope stuff. Face it you are a Tory boy, and your opinions are predicated on partisanship rather than any objective reasoning which you seek to wrap up your views with here. I'd have much more respect if you said, I'ma Conservative and I believe in x, y,z rather than pretneding that you've weighed up each manifesto carefully and come to an informed decision. Because if you had, then you would be spoiling your ballot paper like REPD did, or perhaps voting on the basis of your local caniddate (such as I will do) On the case of not voting, REPD I agree it is a surprise that so many people vote (after all, the country is becoming increasingly retarded and seems keeener on Big Brother or listneing to Geri Halliwell) but would you not agree that if you decide not to vote at all, you then sound an idiot if you start slagging off the Labour govt, or politicians in general a year or so later. Now I know the refutation of this, is people pay their taxes henecforth that entitles them to moan, but let me give you a metaphor closer to our hearts: there are lots of Dons fans who pay their money, who have been chastising CK to do something about getting us a home stadium in Merton. But what have they actually done about it? In my opinion, if they've done nothing then they are not entitled to throw brickbats at CK.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
Going to lunch - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:50:11 (BST)

I've got my ST application if anyone is interested. All I need now is the �210...
REPD
SA - ah, but was it Baroness Williams? :) - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:44:17 (BST)

DrW - you'll like this! I have just had a Liberal Democrat person ring my door and ask if I would vote for their candidate. My response was "Only if you are delivering my WFC season ticket application form!" Nice look on his face I have to say! ......JC - where do you live mate as I see you are only five mins from Sutton Utd. I am too (GGL on the North Cheam side), but have yet to receive my ST renewal form!
Secret Agent
Voted at 9.20 this morning and gave my number to the Lib Dem lady who asked for it! - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:40:59 (BST)

So after weeks of waiting,debating and hot air, the world will soon find out who will be at number 10. Will it be the mighty Wu, or will Dean Holdsworth make a welcome return. Will bargain-buy Neilson realise last seasons promise, or will Michael Hughes be Tezza's choice (doubt it). Whatever, the future's bright; the future's yellow and blue (and I'm not talking Lib Dem/Tory alliance).
still waiting for my ST app form
Hemel (a Labour marginal) - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:27:41 (BST)

Vlad - if you bothered to read all the party manifestos, as I have, then you would see that the Tories have some sensible policies.
Dr Womble
voting Tory! - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:17:37 (BST)

One other thing - they wonder why turnouts are getting worse and worse. Here's why - they don't count spoiled ballots. If they did (and this is the ONLY way I could ever accept compulsory voting) then they'd realise that apart from the 10-20% of politically motivated people in the UK, nobody actually likes politicians. It's a question of legitimacy..
REPD
Who will be extremely glad when the election is over and everyone's finished gloating/crying etc. - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:11:59 (BST)

Right, this was the first time I have EVER been inside a polling booth. I'm 25 now, that makes it 7 years I've been eligible to vote but haven't. Why have I suddenly become a "good citizen"? Boredom. Personally, I still can't see the attraction of voting, especially not in this climate. If nobody wants to go down to the polling booth I don't particularly blame them. I don't buy the "people have died to get the vote" argument - if those martyrs see what it's become they'd probably think twice :) Anyway, they predict a low turnout of 65% today. I'm surprised it's as high as that.
REPD
Not used to being admired :) - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:02:02 (BST)

Vlad, I agree with you, that no surrender chant is a fucking embarrassment and i wouldn't dream of ever watching England away or at home. The humourlessness of it all is what gets me. At least Dons fans when they go away from home have the intellectuall capacity to raise some genuinely funny chants (Grimsby away this season was a classic case in point). Dr Womble, we all know your views on Blair et all by now, but what about the Opposition. You seem to be stuck in the poisonous Daily Mail's dilema, which hates New Labour, but implictly realises that the Tories under Hague are an absolute shambles, so has made some half-hearted endorsement. Well done REPD on spoiling your ballot paper, surely the bset democratic way of registering a protest vote against the UK political system, and a move far more admirable than people who whinge constantly about the Goverment but who cannot be bothered to actually even vote.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
Loving the Schadenfreude of all thos ePrviately educated snobs fucking up their A levels as their teachers taught themt he wrong Shakespeare play - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 11:53:20 (BST)

REPD - wrong!! Guess again fella ;-) I'm off to vote soon (for the first time). Incidentally, my Dad has been the polling officer type person, for my road for years, but has been robbed of the pleasure of my vote this year, as our road has been replaced by some new development nearby, on his list :-(
JC
Revising Business Studies - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 11:51:30 (BST)

Dr - the way I wanted to do it was to put my own name at the bottom, under the "Wimbledon FC Back To Merton Party". Sadly the bureaucratic cunts ruined it by giving me a scrappy little piece of paper where I didn't have enough room. So, I just put a line through it. Oh, and did you know that I (indirectly) know Stuart Pickover, the new Mayor of Merton? And did you know that he's a Mancunian and the biggest tosser I know?
REPD
Who doesn't actually care that much but needed something to do - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 11:50:53 (BST)

REPD - nice one. By doing that you have distinguished yourself from those that simply don't care. How did you spoil it btw? I would have written "rubbish" if I were you.
Dr Womble
voting later - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 11:44:53 (BST)

I must be bored, I've just gone to my local polling booth to spoil my paper.
REPD
Dull - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 11:05:23 (BST)

SA/REPD - I wish I had some allies in wisa, dude. It wouldn't matter if I said the Conservatives would give every man, woman and child a million quid, still no-one would agree! It's only been in the last day when a couple of wisa ppl have come out of the woddwork to support my views on Blair, that the mood has changed. JC - we have been CG members for 6 yrs, and we get the ST form each year... as I've never been around enough before, I've always just got the membership.
Dr Womble
results at 5pm .... - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 09:40:30 (BST)

BTW, if anyone wants to vote today for something that means something relevant, why not fill out and complete the SW19's ARMY End Of Season Poll?
REPD
Plug city - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 09:26:28 (BST)

Vlad - don't blame you...
REPD
No surrender to stupidity - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:35:41 (BST)

I will not go to watch England away until that crap is gone for good, as much as my heart says go my head says - no way.
vlad
no surrender to the BNP - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:26:58 (BST)

Vlad - the "No Surrender" chant is basically a load of pissed up ignorant fucks who think that they're serving "Queen and country" with their chants. No matter that most people are embarassed by them. And no matter that the roots of Irish Republicanism are founded in Protestantism....
REPD
Fuck it, I lied to get my gold CC anyway - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:20:56 (BST)

I though that was an excellent performance by England tonight, but what is it with the fans and that "No Surrender" chant.
vlad
ST application posted to SP on Monday - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:15:53 (BST)

JC - nobody's answered your question yet, so I'll give it a go. Respect?
REPD
Onto the Canadian Club... - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:09:53 (BST)

I've got my ST. And no, I can't afford it. Guess I'll have to forgoe my planned trip to Helsinki/Berlin to pay for it...
REPD
Kinda an associate member of SA/Dr in regards to political rows - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 22:55:37 (BST)

Have you applied for one? Hate to state the obvious, but if you aren't an existing ST holder, you won't get sent a renewal form! You can have mine if you like, I'm just going to apply for membership.
JC
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 22:48:03 (BST)

Dr W - not yet mate, hoping for tomorrow....
Secret Agent
The good Doc's ally on political debate! - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 22:35:38 (BST)

Has anyone got their ST form yet, and where the hell is mine?
Dr Womble
nervous - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 22:10:12 (BST)

............... who would this cheeky little fella fraser be then ?
lieutenant womble
any chanpionship manager - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 21:55:13 (BST)

REPD - thanx for the CD, very impressive and will sit nicely with me Jam, Stranglers, Chords etc. Cheers mate.
Secret Agent
Listening to Sounds of the Suburbs, a compilation album compiled onto CD by an anonymous webmaster! - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 15:56:18 (BST)

OK, here's one for you all: What is greater than god, more evil than the devil, the poor have it, and the rich want it?
JC
? - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 13:41:28 (BST)

Rangdo - what about Euston?
JC
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 13:38:36 (BST)

The world throws up may mysterious things. Questions, ponderances, mysteries and puzzles. One of the more unexplainable phenomena is why a standard monopoly board has the stations of: King's X, Fenchurch St, Liverpool St and Marylebone. Given that this game is all about property and property values, it is a mystery and puzzle to me that apart from King's X, they are all relatively obscure stations, especially Fenchurch St & Marylebone. Why did they skip Paddington, Waterloo and Victoria. A mystery indeed.
The Great Randgo of Arg
Blackfriars - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 13:21:20 (BST)

Dr Womble. We already import vast amounts of our food, just as we import goods from various other primary industries, which people have previously stated needed subsidies, but which have been eventually dismantled. Foot N Mouth alone has cost the UK economy god knows how much, not because of the vast amount of money that farming produces, but becasue of the effect it has had on our tourist industry. And who has been responsible for the worst spread of Foot N Mouth (you'll probably tell me those self same Chinese asylum seekers you accused previously of being welfare cheats) those same poor subsidized farmers who, note Secret Agent, have been allowed to get away with murder by MAFF who are so desperate to protect this biggest of vested interests, that they cut every corner possible to up their profit margins at the expense of consumer health. Do you really expect me to shed tears for the withering away of the UK livestock industry that has also helped to create the possibilty of an epidemic of CJD in future years. And you wonder why, that France (and many other bits of the EU) are not particularly keen on our beef now. I agree that CAP is a disaster, but more for third world farmers.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
THe farmers are lucky that Blair is so moderate - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 13:05:08 (BST)

Greg - as a nation, we cannot produce enough dairy produce or livestock to feed our population. Fact. Why is it then that our farmers are pouring milk down the drains and our arable fields are being left unsown. Add to this the diseases that you mention and it is no wonder that the farming industry is in as bad a state as the NHS. The number of farmers who are wealthy is miniscule. It is the average farming family that is suffering and they make up about 80% of our total production. In France, the farming community is much wealthier by comparison, and as I have stated before, France is more than twice the size of the UK with a smaller population and can satisfy its population in terms of dairy and meat requirements. This is the main reason why they didn't allow in the British beef after the BSE crisis. The British farmer is not the most culpable party in this scenario. The supermarkets have a lot to answer for, but so do the consumers who demand lower food prices (akin to what is available on the continent due to increased subsidies from the EU!).
Secret Agent
Fenchurch St - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 10:22:45 (BST)

Greg - do you want to eat?
Dr Womble
If yes, then that is why we subsidise the farmers - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 09:59:11 (BST)

I wonder if the CAP has anything to do with farming subsidies etc? If the CAP is stinging farmers financially, is it any wonder they have to cut costs? As for Europe, you only have to look at the way UEFA and FIFA operate to know exactly how the EU conducts itself. IMO Europe should be trade only - not economic, not political. I hear people saying "but half our trade is with the EU". So where does the other half go then? In about a decade's time, the EU will either cease to exist or be so burdened under its own bullshit that nobody will want to touch it. UK, be warned...
REPD
Who can't understand the reasoning behind "if you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain". - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 09:19:13 (BST)

Secret Agent. So Europe has destroyeds our farming industry. No, BSE, Swine Fever and Foot N Mouth have, and I for one am not shedding any tears for the last bastion of subsidy. And who is mostly responsible for these diseases, the subsidized farmers themselves with their cost-cutting farming practices, all in cahoots with those protecting their producer interests in MAFF. Sorry, but any other industry and the state would have allowed it to decline long ago, and rely on imports, as we do for most of our primary industries now. Vlad, how can you justify greater European intergration when there are wildly diverse standards of operation of EU laws amongst member states, combined with unacceptable levels of burauecratic corruption and waste (The UK by the way stands roughly in the middle of this, with the Northern Europeans having the highest standards, and Southern Europe being pretty corrupt)
Greg Berry's Left Boot
getting political again - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 01:29:36 (BST)

REPD - to inform people of your new number on the cheap, sign up at Genie and get txt msgs for free! Oh, BTW, I can get this wicked new gadget for mobiles. It's a dual SIM reader that lets you put two SIM cards in your mobile, effectively allowing you to receive calls from both accounts. Nice!
JC
Who's got two numbers - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 00:34:56 (BST)

ST - yes I did. Haven't had a chance to examine it yet...
REPD
I have a new mobile #. Anyone who wants it, please email - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 21:46:36 (BST)

REPD- Did you get my mail fella?
Skinhead Thug
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 21:05:52 (BST)

Vlad - thanks for the response (more than I get on W&WW where you don't get taken seriously unless you speak some strange form of patois!). I am not anti Europe at all. I think that membership of the EU is no bad thing in itself, but I think that we do put too much in for what we get back and that the poorer countries have joined up to improve their lot, whereas we are helping to fund their improvement at the cost to us of our farming industry which has been desecrated by one disaster after another.
Secret Agent
Waterloo - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 20:55:04 (BST)

Vlad - yes I have tried Beconase. Was the first thing the quack put me on. Did absolute FA for me. Now on Flixonase which isn't much better TBH..
REPD
Though there was considerable pressure from the Conservative Left to sign up to various Euro treaties... - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 15:38:06 (BST)

SA no didn't see it, but it doesn't surprise or shock me. I am aware that spin exists and that New Labour have become pretty damn good at it. I am totally relaxed about being paid in Euros, especially if I can have Euro zone interest rates for my mortgage. I believe in the European project, it has delivered a hell of a lot of good which we all benefit from. Look at how Spain and Ireland have developed in the last 15 years. I am willing to accept greater economic integration and I hope that greater social integration continues as well. Europe (including a Social Democrat Britain) is now in the forefront of most of the progressive issues that I support. What is needed now is greater democracy across the Union. Also, if you think the Tories are any different, don't forget that it was Thatcher who signed up to the single market and Major that signed up to Maastricht.
vlad
REPD have you tried Bectonase? - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 15:03:14 (BST)

Good things about Wimbledon pt1 : The Sultan, Norman Road best beers in London from Hopback brewery- 1. 50 a pint on wednesdays. Pt 2 Anna K and Martina H lobbing and smashing in june
Northernsouler
In with the In Crowd - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 14:49:05 (BST)

Where can I find the Nationwide League XI teams? Anyone know?
JC
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 14:18:31 (BST)

GROA - Yeah, Inzaman, a cricketer that makes Hartson look lazy!!
Secret Agent
The Oval - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 14:18:06 (BST)

Fraid not - my sinuses are blocked. What about Inzamam - we should sign him.
The Great Rangdo of Arg
Ul-haq attack - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 13:00:39 (BST)

Rangdo - yeah, I'll have some of the stuff you're taking. Does it clear nasals?
REPD
Who despises June - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 12:53:16 (BST)

It must be the weather! Everyone on all the web-sites seems to be bored. There is sfa to talk about. I think that if Herr Koppell announced that we were to merge with Linfield then there would barely be more than a lazy yawn and an irritated heard it all before. That's what Summer is all about - a welcome respite from the drama of the season before and a chance to refresh the batter......shit, that's strong stuff I'm taking. Anyone want some.
The Great Rangdo of Arg
Elysium Fields - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 12:48:07 (BST)

SA - hey, fuck Tony Blair. He'll probably get the HearSay vote (ie those who vote because they're told to. The HearSay vote are those people who are slaves to fashion and hype). I remember once doing a similar poll like that once, not exactly the most direct questioning I've ever had. Interesting that the Teletext poll come out on the side of Mr Hague..... Keeper - not apathy, just a libertarian approach to politics. If I had apathy I wouldn't be here..
REPD
Keeper - check thine email (no, it's not as bad as it sounds) - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 12:20:31 (BST)

REPD, Ahhh do I detect a touch of The Great British Apathy creeping in.
Keeper
OK done as you suggested.Giving up if that doesn't work!! - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 11:56:45 (BST)

REPD - you have just shown exactly what Blair is most concerned about! Remember that the polls do not ask "Are you going to vote?" They ask " Who would/will you vote for?" The second question assumes that poeple who say they will vote for a party, actually register their vote!
Secret Agent
Downing Strret - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 11:54:25 (BST)

Keeper - no it hasn't.
REPD
Giving up on the election, it's too much a foregone conclusion to care about - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 11:20:17 (BST)

REPD, Did that finally get through?
Keeper
Rangdo you must be bored. Surely you can do better. - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 11:02:26 (BST)

Rangdo - Hague has stated that "he wants to be in Europe, but not run by Europe"
Dr Womble
and that means? - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 11:00:57 (BST)

Thank you Samsara - such things are important to know. Rangdo's two issues of today are: Firstly, will Hague just shut the fuck up about Europe. Whether we like it or not we will have to be in it to win it. A man who is that well educated would do better than spinning scare stories about nasty continentals to old folks and thick rural idiots. Secondly: the Great Rangdo of Arg is interested to hear what the last three London Standard pubs of the year have been. Anyone know?
The Great Rangdo of Arg
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 10:15:04 (BST)

SA - I raised those very points in WISA, and got flamed all day. Still, I won out in the end.
Dr Womble
hmmm - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 09:56:56 (BST)

Vlad - my last word on the debate, for sure. I take it that you didn't see the extended Panorama programme on Sunday night which tore holes in everything that Blair has said about spending on Health, Education and Transport? Triple counting investment to make it look better than reality? Shades of Sham Hammam methinks and the only defence from the poor puppet that was the Labour spokesman was "The figures are accurate". I lost count of the times that he used that or a similar phrase. BTW the presenter of the programme will now doubtless be sacked for daring to talk about the failures to deliver the Blair promises on spending, especially on the Labour controlled BBC.
Secret Agent
Fancy getting paid in Euros Vlad, cos that's what'll happen! - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 09:44:58 (BST)

Rangdo - Maynard suffered a stroke whilst filming. He made a good recovery and started filming the next series. The insurance cover ran out on him however mid series(usually purchased for one year in advance) and the insurers declined to renew the policy on him 'cause he was too much of a risk. The TV production company were not prepared to risk losing filming days if they were uninsured. Good old Claud Greengrass went on a cruise therefore, never to return! Onslo/Eddie Yates the binman filled the gap.
samsara
can't believe that I really bothered to post this, but if a mans got to knoe, I guess he's got to know! - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 08:54:30 (BST)

Well I had hay-fever and a cold at the same time this week, now that is horrible!
JC
- Monday, June 04, 2001 at 23:02:37 (BST)

Vlad - I know :)
REPD
Does anyone else here suffer from a) cattarh and b) perreneal rhinitus? And had it all gang up on you in one foul swoop? Fuck I feel lousy - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:31:44 (BST)

Don't worry I was only teasing ;)
vlad
More of a comment on a sick man than politics - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:26:25 (BST)

Vlad - I know. I use AOL though.
REPD
Would put the guestbook on a new server if he knew how to set up CGI stuff - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:17:46 (BST)

Oops, looks like I'm a double post victim now...
REPD
Vlad - please, no more politics. You'll get Dr W started and then we'll get into some seriously self-righteous mudslinging - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:16:22 (BST)

hey REPD - there is a bug in your guestbook. If it doesn't seem as if your post has gone, refresh before re-posting and hey presto.
vlad
teaching the teacher - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:15:14 (BST)

Hague on the news just now and he looks as if he's losing it - beginnings of a nervous tick and still banging on about the pound being the single most important issue.
vlad
one nation - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:13:38 (BST)

FL - any reason why analog is still used anyway? Cost? Also, are most TV cable systems in the US still analog? If so, why are they generally poor quality picture?
REPD
Picking the brain of the unemployed - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:12:57 (BST)

Analogue is really only used now for local stuff, eg the "last mile" into your home in Telephony. The highest speed run on digital ATM is 10Gb/per sec. Though there is some 40Gb/per sec and a bit of a cheat at multiples of 10gig. Digital is best because it does not perpetuate errors or distortion, with analogue spikes for example only get amplified. Mr Pedantic: You are wrong!
Florida John
Unemployed Digital Trainer - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 21:55:11 (BST)

Ali - yes I know, personally I think England had themselves to blame for playing far too negatively. Nice one to Pakistan anyway (grumble...) ..... JC - OK then, you would use digital in a heavily "noisy" area, ie where harmonics would distort the flow of data. Used in error-critical situations. More accurate as well, as it only relies on specific binary inputs, ie 1 and 0. No idea about the pros of analogue though (and I'm sure FL will correct me on any of the stuff I've just said)
REPD
Who did something like that - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 21:49:18 (BST)

Flo Jo - that's way to complicated for me mate. I just need to know the basics, i.e. which is faster, most accurate, most appropriate for various activities, etc.
JC
- Monday, June 04, 2001 at 21:37:08 (BST)

You said 'quantized' as opposed to 'quanitization', fool!
Mr Pedantic
- Monday, June 04, 2001 at 21:20:32 (BST)

JC: The advantage of digital over analogue is that a digital signal is completly decoupled from end to end. Namely that the signal is completly rebuilt and so is reproduced more accurately. An analogue signal is sampled usualy every 125 uS and quantized into a digital signal. Every time an analogue signal is amplified it just amplifies all the distortion on it as well. I'd just like to say that that makes me the first person to say quanitization on this GB.
Florida John
Unemployed Expert on Digital Transmission - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 20:13:16 (BST)

REPD - just revising for my forthcoming IT exam ... what's the difference between analogue and digital signals, and what are the respective advantages and disadvantages, i.e. digital is made up of 10101 pulses etc.
JC
In need of help - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 19:58:18 (BST)

REPD: True, but Pakistan had some iffy decisions given against them as well (Youhana caught when it his his helmet, Khan LBW when it hit his bat first, Trescothick given not out when it clearly hit his glove)so you could say that the decisions more or less evened themselves out over the game. That was not the case at Valley Parade.
Ali
Valley Parade - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 19:34:50 (BST)

SA - that and the somewhat iffy umpiring. Four outs on four no-balls? That makes Jeff Winter look incorruptable - where's Sir Paul Condon when you need him?
REPD
Stopped throwing up, just got a blocked up throat now - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 19:27:26 (BST)

REPD - they have lost, thanks mostly to the inept performances by the Surrey boys in the second innings. The only decent players from Surrey today were Saqlain and Waqar, but they play for Pakistan who deserved to win IMO for having the better of every day in the Test.
Secret Agent
Old Trafford - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 18:23:49 (BST)

REPD - I've been fire-fighting all day in wisa... I'm exhausted!
Dr Womble
hmmm - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 18:21:57 (BST)

Dr - no, no politics in here. Thankfully, because I don't think my brain could cope with any more mudslinging..... FL - ever get the feeling that Dallas wished they could have bribed Boeing a bit more? .... SA - if you want a good, decent hotel in NYC, try the Millenium Hilton by the WTC..... C - er, no. If I did I'd be totally broke ..... everyone else - England are just about to lose the cricket. Have a nice day.
REPD
Trying hard not to throw up yet again - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 17:44:31 (BST)

Rangdo: Bill Maynard was taken ill. Seriously ill.
Florida John
In the area of Dallas until recently known as The Telecoms Corridor. - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 17:35:41 (BST)

Rangdo: Bill Maynard was taken ill. Seriously ill.
Florida John
In the area of Dallas until recently known as The Telecoms Corridor. - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 17:35:10 (BST)

REPD - Just one question - do I get royalty/licence fee from you if you print more than one quotes from my EOSP poll entry?
Nice Girl C
Saving her entry for the SW19 poll... - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 17:13:26 (BST)

Keeper - either two of the teams JC mentioned finished above us (Brum and West Brom) or four did (if you include Man City and Coventry!). Not sure wher you got three from unless you thought that Watford finished above us?......FJ - that's not St Lukes in Wimbledon Park is it? I used to go to a youth club there and a certain Alan Cork was guest of honour at our summer fete. If you do end up in NYC, I might meet up with you as the missus wants to go to the Big Apple in the winter and I'm lining up a surprise (presuming I can find employment in the meantime, mind you!).
Secret Agent
About to take the kids swimming - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 16:39:43 (BST)

SA: Hopefully I will not be returning to Blighty. Chances ATM are that I will move to New York City at the beginning of August. This in turn may lead me into something to do with St Lukes Church in London, so I might get a few visits in on business. But believe me there are no jobs where I am now, just empty buildings, and one big mess that used to be called the "Telecomms Corridor".
Florida John
Relieved after his session with the I*******n A******y - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 15:14:36 (BST)

JC, Well three of those teams finished above us this season anyhowand with improvement I expect sixth/fifth. Having said that I truely believe that last season we suffered from: a) Atrocious luck b) Awful reffing last season and hope that things fall a little kinder for us this time round.
Keeper
Hope I'm wrong, not normally a pessimist! - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:58:33 (BST)

No politics in here? Phew!
Dr Womble
who is single handedly attacking Labour in wisa, and getting no end of abuse - happy days! :) - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:55:51 (BST)

Didn't mean to post that three times, but it didn't come up on the guestbook when I posted it! I think we'll finish 3rd personally, but no lower than 6th. Just look at the competition: Man City, Watford, Birmingham, West Brom, Coventry ... they're the only teams that could give us any problems.
JC
- Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:50:22 (BST)

EH thanks JC but once would have been enough!! Dam and curse my soul to eternal hell for such mistakes, but only once;) You think we'll get higher?
Keeper
VDU Central - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:45:02 (BST)

Keeper - "Spelling going to pot"? Err ... I believe the word you were after was 'circumstances' as opposed to "circamstances", which is how you believe it is spelt. Ah, nevermind eh?! Up the Rangdo!!
JC
Hypocrite central - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:06:18 (BST)

Well spotted REPD. Someone has been using my name. Can I just say that if you are going to use my name, then at least say something controversial. Some joker used to do that as well on Mr Joneseys web-site. However, it was me that posted the ill-fated abuse that got me Alcatrazed. I was rather amused to note that Ladbrokes seem to have Fulham down as finishing very high up next season. I await their fall with great joy. Anyway, this indulgent aspidistra has been more concerned with matters of Super 12 rugby at present. Let us hope that the good luck spreads to the Dons next season. Can one of you also send something to Mr Jonesey to calm him down. His site is full of matey-boy and jivey postings in a language I presume is close to English. My question of the week is: why did Mr Greengrass leave Heartbeat before the season's end. Did Maynard retire or was he ill (being such a fat plod). We should sign him.
The Great Rangdo of Arg
Here - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 12:37:30 (BST)

Ah, Rangdo fantastic to hear from you again. I particularly enjoyed your unexpected use of the letter 'K' before certain words. A compliment indeed. You seem a little flakey at the moment!! Maybe fraught personal circamstances or a knock to your self confidence at the exclusion from the W&WW. Spelling going to pot and evidence of a dual persona if Wandle was really you? Anyhow, as much as I wish I were wrong I think we may end up around 6th or 7th this season as I think the team are still consolidating and learning TB's methods and gelling as a side. First ten games seem to be the key for us. If we had a few more wins early last season we would have been riding high with our later form. Signings mentioned so far are not filling me with confidence, I think we have a real need to get a LB in.
Keeper
Have you re-thought your sack TB campaign? - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 12:28:49 (BST)

Ask away? who wanted to know what about online advertising etc....
Flawed
hung over as fuck after doing Lab bar, Pop bar, and Propaganda - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 11:48:42 (BST)

FJ - are you due to return to Blighty on a permanent basis, to put the fear of God into every non Dons supporting footy fan in W-O-T? The current crop of unemployed GBers is getting longer by the day, hope everything works out for you. Cheers SA
Secret Agent
Job Centre Central - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 09:25:56 (BST)

So in the last 24 hours I've met an Arse, a Spurtz and a Nog Don, not bad for Dallas. And the Nog has Olsens book!!!
Florida John
I am posting from Dallas Texas, unfortunaetly, but watching old WFC videos - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 05:48:30 (BST)

Anyone heard about Neil Harris? Frightening shit. In case u aint, he has been diagnosed with testacular cancer.
Ali
REPD: so u keep a record of all the log files then, tell me where I am posting from then? (just checking) - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 01:28:31 (BST)

JC - �1.49 a pint ain't bad, especially round here. And I did half of my degree exams whilst slightly hungover. Didn't do me too bad though, got the equivalent of a 2:1...
REPD
Who's attempted to learn at least 5 languages - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 22:35:07 (BST)

That's the equivalent of two soft drink-sized cans or two normal bottles of lager - I'm guessing about a pint.
JC
Who made a promise not to drink during his current exams, but broke the promise at the first hurdle - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 22:32:20 (BST)

JC - wouldn't like to comment...
REPD
Stella bottle seems like it was meant for the Israeli/Russian market, if I can read my Hebrew right. 66cl, whatever the fuck that is in imperial - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 22:02:19 (BST)

Mac - no idea. This is stored on a "private" server anyway. The only bit of the site which hosts ads is the archive, which for space reasons is on Tripod, who pay me diddly squat for advertising revenue. Mind you, I pay them diddly squat for having about 50mb of web space. Trouble is with ads, they become very intrusive
REPD
Methinks Flawed is the best dude to ask - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 21:59:31 (BST)

I thought it was Wandle, seems like his/her sort of trick!
JC
Mmm ... STELLA ... Sainsburys, Wallington were doing : Buy 2 x 4packs of Stella, get the third free!! - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 21:58:17 (BST)

So what's the deal then REPD? Despite working in marketing I'm not up on web ads at all!!!!!!
Mac
Confused..... - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 21:53:51 (BST)

JC - suffice to say, Rangdo hasn't shown up on the log files I keep of everyone I post (oh shit, that's given my little game away). I know where he posts from normally, and it doesn't appear to be him. Also, one thing I will say about him, he usually types impeccably.... Mac - �0. Though I am of course open to bribery.
REPD
Spar in Martin Way, Morden, sells big bottles of Stella for �1.49. - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 21:37:48 (BST)

REPD - how much �� do you get for hosting your adverts on this site? Just curious....
Mac
Waiting for the fixtures......YAWN - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 21:21:33 (BST)

Are you sure it's really you Rangdo? Doesn't seem your style mate, especially the poor spelling etc.
JC
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:53:38 (BST)

Ok i am sorry. It was me sorry guys but you know how it is i have been away for so long. Sorry REPD especially.X
The Great Rangdo of arg
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:29:07 (BST)

Wandle - if you want my email, you have to be nicer than that. Start with an apology, and end with sincere thanks for the advice I might give you.
Dr Womble
asking the butler to make more pimms - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:26:22 (BST)

DR Dickhead- I was talking about your email address fool. what is it?
Wandle
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:24:44 (BST)

Del Boy - thought you were from Peckham? .... Dr - if Wandle could let me know who he really is (I think I know him, he certainly seems to know me) then I'll have a few words with him :)
REPD
Phones, drugs, abuse. Ah, summers..... - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:23:55 (BST)

Wandle - is there an English translation of that? You asked my views on drugs, I gave them to you.
Dr Womble
drinking pimms - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:20:23 (BST)

REPD, I will get you on a phone what type do you want?
Del Boy
Camden Market - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:20:21 (BST)

JC - my current one costs me �70 pa thru Cellnet. I get the handset and free calls at a certain time of week. When I don't use it at all, which TBH is most of the time, it still costs me �5 a month. 5 x 12 = �60, total �130. Now, I have just gone to Tesco.Com and bought a Mitsubishi Trium (dual band, vibration warning, SMS, even bunged WAP on for me) for �30, plus �5 to get me started. It really does do all I need, and I can control costs. I don't need anything fancy or any more expensive than what I have anyway. I haven't got the phone yet, but I'm trying to figure a way of diverting all calls from my current mobile onto the new one I'll get.....
REPD
What bit of "I've just bought one" don't you understand? :) - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:19:46 (BST)

Dr Womble do you expect me to beleive that from a man, who has never been seen by anyone on here. Tell the truth you poor example of a Dr. Its at places like where they train you that they go wrong. Pity
Wandle
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:18:50 (BST)

REPD - I'd recommend a 'pay up front' package, where you pay a lump sum (usually between �100-200), which includes connection, 12-18 months line rental, a wide choice of handsets, and sometimes accessories. Though the initial outlay's quite a bit, you don't really have to worry for the rest of the year. They usually offer you a competitive extension to your contract after the initial 12-18 months. However, if you really do your research, you can get a decent phone/contract, for next to nothing. My current phone set me back all in all, about �60 (excluding call costs). BTCellnet and Ericsson T28 from CPW, free connection, �50 chequeback from BTCellnet, �40 trade-in for my old handset, and 3 months free line rental.
JC
Eating a choc-ice - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:10:47 (BST)

Wandle - my email is kissmyassyoudruggedoutfool@dope.com
Dr Womble
no, really - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:07:10 (BST)

SA - I've already bought one. Trust me, I do not use my phone often enough to warrant having a contract.
REPD
This guestbook is bought to you in association with High Times - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 19:05:43 (BST)

Dr Wombble whats your Email address?
Wandle
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 18:55:40 (BST)

REPD - sounds like you want to upgrade your mobile? If you are on a monthly tariff and want to upgrade with any of the four operators, then you can get a Nokia 3310 for nothing with Cellnet if you sign up to one of their Net plans. You need to have been on current contract for at least twelve months to qualify. If you are prepared to start again, then you can get the phone, connection, leather case, hands free for �0 with Cellnet in about 15 minutes at the Carphone Warehouse/Link/any of the shops in Sutton High St. It only gets expensive if you have a PAYG phone cos these are not what the operators want us to buy!
Secret Agent
Who knows a bit about mobile phone dealing, but not as much as Simon Jordan! - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 18:28:39 (BST)

Dr Womble that did not make sense have you been smoking green?
Wandle
Confused,but not stoned - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 18:19:47 (BST)

Wandle - no but I'll give you a free colonoscopy and stomach pump if you some in within the next 7 days.
Dr Womble
without a GA, naturally - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 18:05:56 (BST)

Wandle - I'm not too sure if Dr will answer you on that one? Try Ebay...
REPD
My lawyers are going apeshit ATM.... - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 17:58:59 (BST)

Try Carl Leaburn on cm3 hes just as good as he is in real life (Or do i mean as bad as real life)
The Don
Home - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 17:05:59 (BST)

Ha ha - can't wait for the Doc's reaction to that!
JC
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 16:43:09 (BST)

Dr Womble I know this is a bit cheaky, but could you possibly ask any of your geeky pals if they can get me any solids at a reasnoble price. I will buy a nine bar if they are knocking them out for under �280. Do they tick people? I am only asking you cos I no that people like you are always well into drugs, even though you would not expect it.
Wandle
Wanting skunk or solids if Dr can get it - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 16:36:06 (BST)

What Championship Manager version would you be referring to? I'm the absolute daddy at CM2, but haven't had enough time this year to really get into CM3.
JC
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 16:32:12 (BST)

Wandle - you'll damage your brain, your heart and your kidneys.... proabably wiping 10 yrs off your life.
Dr Womble
assuming you don't die as a direct result.. - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 16:07:11 (BST)

jc, what player would you recommend in championship manager....... i know some pucked cheapies and some quality........... freebies. let me know son...... so repd,u think lockwood is shit....... i love the guy i have watched him for orient many times and he is da boy. n e way each to their own..... i think crouch would be a good signing, as i think clinton (cockey) morrison would be..... if wolves could get him then so could we...... any opinions ??
lieutenant womble
repd:no u dont know me but everytime i ask a question or write in this guest book i get ignored.... so i thought i would try to ask a question directly to you to c if i get a reply...... and i did waaaaaahhhhhheeyyyyyyy.!!! - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 16:03:50 (BST)

JC - and needless to say, unless you're in certain heavily bylawed areas, you cannot get lifted for carrying a can of Stella...
REPD
Who has spent all afternoon trying to get a fucking mobile phone that isn't more than �40 - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 16:00:18 (BST)

Wandle - yes I have. I didn't think it was that great, and TBH, it's a fucking waste of money. I'd rather spend my � on something worth while. Alcohol is good enough for me, and is far more sociable than cannabis.
JC
- Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 15:12:59 (BST)

JC and others have you ever smoked Cannabis and what do you think of it ? Dr what are the long term effects of taking pills, you know the type I mean, on a regular basis?
Wandle
Skinning my last joint of the weekend up. - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 14:41:52 (BST)

Did the whole drugs conversation come about from mine and the Doc's comments about mushrooms? If so, sorry to inform Wandle and co., but we were in fact commenting on ... err ... Mario Kart ... still ;-)
JC
Waiting for REPD to lay down the law on computer game-related posts - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 12:07:29 (BST)

Rangdo - in answer to your questions : Scottish thing done because of Sky TV probably. Unplayed fixtures remain, er, unplayed. The whole thing sucks. Not too sure if being called a "nob" is such a good thing (and yes, I know what the distinction is). I reckon we'll be in the playoffs. And the fixtures come out 21 June or something.
REPD
In a slightly less sour mood than usual - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 09:43:26 (BST)

Rangdo - no offence dude, but when you appeard again on w&ww asking for questions, I laughed my head off. Grow up mate!
Dr Womble
amused at the wandle and REPD show last night - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 09:09:04 (BST)

I recently invited some questions of myself on the WWW web-site. It has woken Mr Jonesey up to the fact that the ban on my presence had lifted and left me in inglorious exile again. Anyway, Carshalton womble is correct that I did get an answer to my Scottish league question, but it was not a complete answer. I want to know why they have split the league up into two halfs - it seesm really odd. If Celtic had played Dundee a few times already but Rangers had not, then surely Celtic are at an advantage when the split occurs cos Dundee are so crap. Also, what happens about unplayed fixtures when the split is made. Those unplayed fixtures may result in a different split being necessary if two teams being played against are very close to the middle of the table. 'Keeper' also asks me a few pertinent questions. Firstly, The Great Rangdo of Arg is proud to be called a nob. Keeper is in fact a knob. Subtle difference, but one that show my true class. Keeper also asks where the Dons will finish next season - THIRD ! Anyone disagree. When are the fixtures out?
The Great Rangdo of Arg
Moleskin House - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 03:39:41 (BST)

I was out today in one of my WFC shirts and in my local PC supplier, got accosted by a Norwiegan Don (more outrageous than meeting a Don in Tower Records in Tokyo). Just what you expect in Richardson TX. Anyway he has Olsen's book so I am going to get with him in a couple of weeks and get the skinny. He said Olsen liked Hammam, Harford and Cunningham. More interestingly he was not taking training in the latter part of that season, guess who was? Also he said he was never much of a club manager in Norway either. So got any questions you want me to put to him.
Florida John
Dallas, not for much longer - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 02:06:09 (BST)

Wandle - same as the first.
REPD
Who thinks that Wandle knows him - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 23:02:44 (BST)

REPD, what did the second opinion conclude apart from you having a dodgy prison like hair cut?
Wandle
Not drinking Castlemine XXXX - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 23:01:37 (BST)

Wandle - ah. Yes I have.
REPD
Not stoned, drunk loads of Danone Activ - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 23:00:06 (BST)

That should have been had a second opinion?
Wandle
Stoned - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:58:46 (BST)

Wandle - "a second attempt". Excuse me? Lay off the baccy...
REPD
Enjoying the plus side of drinking Castlemaine XXXX - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:57:51 (BST)

REPD, have you had a second attempt on your A+ Kidneys?
Wandle
Enjoying the plus sides of smoking drugs - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:56:36 (BST)

Wandle - despite the fact that my kidneys have been diagnosed as A+ healthy (due to the fact I drink loads of water anyway), about �10.
REPD
Not into fucking them either - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:47:28 (BST)

REPD, how much a week do you spend weekly on fucking up your kidneys?
Wandle
Not smoking animals just cannabis or skunk at a costly price. - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:41:45 (BST)

Wandle - I would rather be drunk because it makes me loosen my tongue. Which is far more fun :)
REPD
Not smoking animals - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:37:37 (BST)

One other thing not connected with drugs does anyone else agree taht the german terroist from Die hard with a vegenace looks like that the boro striker Boksic?
Wandle
Smoking Skunk - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:35:41 (BST)

Wandle - in all seriousness, I wouldn't bother in trying to offer it to me, I'm just not interested in it. I've smelt a toke and suffice to say, the smell is horrible. Fuck knows what it's like to put it in your mouth and inhale...
REPD
Also with alcohol I can get it out of my system within 12-15 hours - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:35:24 (BST)

Repd, I no you love a strong drink, but you would much prefer being mashed than drunk. Next away game we see eachother do you want me to give to some skunk?
Wandle
Skinning up. - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:32:19 (BST)

Wandle - no, and I don't particularly want to. The very thought of turning into Mick Hucknall puts me off for life.
REPD
Who has only ever done ibuprofen and penicillin - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:28:04 (BST)

Smoking puff is great people. REPD or Dr Womble have you ever smoked or eaten it before ?
Wandle
Ringin up my dealer and asking her to deliver an 8th - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:24:19 (BST)

Wandle - if you ever want to see what even light use of hash can do to you, try walking round somewhere like Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco. There are some seriously fucked up people round there. Also, if medical research won't get you to stop, this will : even light use of cannabis or marjuana makes you extremely boring and uninteresting to other people. If the thought of turning in Mick Hucknall appauls you, give it up now maan...
REPD
Being quite serious - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:13:14 (BST)

It fucks up your lungs, fucks up your head, and increases your chances of developing mental illness. So quite good for you really.
Dr Womble
shocked - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:10:12 (BST)

No, I don`t want to be in an early grave but I doubt that smoking wacky backy every now and then will make you drop down and die, agreed Dr ?
Wandle
The Priory Clinic - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:08:45 (BST)

Seriously though Wandle, do you want to be scitzo?
Dr Womble
at the cutting edge of research - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:07:13 (BST)

Dr - no, I'm just evil...
REPD
Happy Jack wasn't old, but he was a man - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:05:58 (BST)

I have been advised by my lawyers, messrs Seeit, Grabbit and Runn, to disassociate myself from any mentioning of illegal narcotic consumption upon this site. This disassociation voids any legal action taken herein against the registered owner of this site. Thank you.
REPD
And also hoping that the usually lurking Ed doesn't decide to drop the acid bomb on here IYSWIM - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:04:41 (BST)

REPD - are you my evil sidekick?
Dr Womble
R2D2 returns - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:04:29 (BST)

Wandle - yes, tut tut. You shouldn't take drugs, as the good Dr says. After all, admitting that you do illegal activities on here is bad for your health. And bad for my legal advisors............................
REPD
Just hoping Graeme "pill popper" Boulton doesn't come on here and see this - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 22:01:01 (BST)

Wandle - both will put you in an early grave. Is that what you want?
Dr Womble
amazed at the stupidity of people like Wandle - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 21:53:51 (BST)

Dr Womble, I was recently collared by my mum for smoking hash, what is better for you smoking cigs or Smoke Puff?
Wandle
Amsterdam - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 21:19:40 (BST)

JC - its ALL about the mushrooms.
Dr Womble
how do you use yours? - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 21:04:35 (BST)

It can't be all about the mushrooms!
JC
N64 - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 17:33:30 (BST)

JC - I realised when I typed it that I couldn't honestly remember, although my times was as fast as anyone I have ever seen. I'll look later.
Dr Womble
hmmmm - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 10:25:27 (BST)

Doc - you cheat mate! That time you said is impossible.
JC
- Friday, June 01, 2001 at 19:03:59 (BST)

JC - I assure you I'm not jealous of whatever special relationship you have going on with REPD
Dr Womble
feeling sick - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 16:23:26 (BST)

Women eh , can't live with 'em, can't live without them.
Northernsouler
watching the office clock - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 15:11:20 (BST)

REPD (and the jealous Doc) - my point was, if you tell every bird that thinks football's a waste of time, to fuck off, then trust me, you'll not find yourself enjoying the company of too many lurvlee laydees.
JC
On the bus ;-) - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 15:04:39 (BST)

You may notice that the actual amount of the poll has been cut down this time but there's still enough of it in there. I've just been creating the template for the results, and believe me, there'll still be plenty of reading :)
REPD
The Politically Unsound Wimbledon fanzine since 1999. - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 14:12:19 (BST)

I always work to deadlines, so don't expect mine in before 3rd August :)
Dr Womble
another miserable day, weather wise - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 14:03:36 (BST)

my question was, in fact, just what repd asks in his eosp :)
dubai don
nearly completed mine btw - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 13:44:50 (BST)

Not trying to woo female posters/lurkers to this site then.
vlad
if politics was football, people would sing "you don't know what you're doing" to William Hague - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 13:13:43 (BST)

All - **************finally************** - the End Of Season Poll is now up. Enjoy...
REPD
Checking his mailbox - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 13:04:15 (BST)

doc, i got 'here' just before you - i can remember the first sightings of mr t womble :) with regards to the web pages post, i was just thinking out loud - is it better to have a few decent sites (such as sw19, w&ww, imbd etc) which you can access quickly and directly in between work hours etc, or is it preferable to have many sites, all of which offer something different but require more time to 'consume'? btw what do u recomend for post-booze related tummy troubles (iyswim)?
dubai don
i did a site too. pre-season, i used publisher (took around an hour to learn) but couldnt upload it. found these sites anyway and so never bothered persevering. still got it though. - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 12:58:01 (BST)

REPD - better deal is �30 for 100 minutes (or the equivalent of watching ManUre from the bogs at OT)!
Secret Agent
Inexperienced in paying for it directly, but well aware of when he's being ripped off! - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 12:10:13 (BST)

�100 for 30 mins - seems a bit steep! But then I wouldn't know...
Dr Womble
surely they don't earn that much! - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 11:36:13 (BST)

Dr W - females in general fuck me over...
REPD
Women - best bung them �100 for a quick half hour - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 11:21:14 (BST)

REPD - I take it your last g/f fucked you over?
Dr Womble
trust - it's a bastard - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 10:42:33 (BST)

Dr W - yeah, it is. But not at the expense of (a) my finances, and (b) WFC. Why go through mental anguish simply on the off-chance you may get a blowjob?
REPD
I sound really sad don't I? I'm merely bitter and twisted - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 10:35:49 (BST)

REPD - surely a new g/f is on your list of priorities, if you're really honest. IMO they seem to be like buses, none for ages, then loads come along at once.
Dr Womble
waiting for a bus - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 10:30:34 (BST)

JC - no, not ATM. Not really top on my list of priorities in life as it stands to be honest - not gay or "funny" in case anyone misunderstands..... FL - wait and see.
REPD
What's the matter Dr? Jealous are we? :) - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 09:25:07 (BST)

JC and REPD.... hmmm, that explains why JC got the match rport gig ;)
Dr Womble
pondering life's inponderables - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 09:12:41 (BST)

I don't know about the End of Season poll. And there are player of the season poll elsewhere. What about a worst player of the season poll?
Florida John
Out of work next week, could become New York John as things are now. Fingers crossed. - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 02:26:46 (BST)

REPD - do you have a missus mate?
JC
And no, I'm not coming onto REPD - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 00:48:09 (BST)

SA - unfortunately, I haven't actually done said CD (I am seriously behind on everything ATM). I will drop it round to you when I've done it. Brentford sounds kewl, Barnet I'm doing on my todd (Morden-High Barnet).
REPD
Er... - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:32:36 (BST)

REPD - thanx, You at SW19 Towers tomorrow am? I can collect and will offer free transportation in the NCCC executive limo to one of the away pre-season games (either Barnet or Brentford most likely) in return!
Secret Agent
Sod the music industry, theyre always overcharging for CDs anyway, greedy bastards! - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:30:57 (BST)

SA - trouble is, given the way this year has gone you may end up having to wait until November for the results to come out :) Hence why it's deliberately shorter. I will make a final decision tomorrow whether I will add more to it, I'm not going to kill myself like I did last year though...
REPD
No payment needed for the CD - I am doing my bit in contributing to the demise of the music industry - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:22:07 (BST)

REPD - 3 pages!!!! Do you mean to say that it won't take a week to complete the poll as per last year? I'm sure many will be severely disappointed mate!
Secret Agent
OK, you win! How much for the CD? - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:16:47 (BST)

SA - ah, but if I did it under duress the quality of the EOSP would suffer. And I've had to take severe liberties to keep it under the 3 pages it currently is ATM...
REPD
Who has the ultimate weapon at his disposal - a Sounds Of The Suburbs cd.... - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:12:22 (BST)

REPD - I hereby order you to do the extra page as pennance for admitting to being lazy today in not getting the EOSP out! ;-))
Secret Agent
Prepared to take a chance with a psychotic gun toting webmaster! - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:07:59 (BST)

JC - if she says that about football, then dump her. Either that or just fuck her to the point her brains are scrambled ..... oh, and I *still* haven't done the EOSP. This time there is no excuse, I felt too lazy to do it today. I'm also debating whether to leave it as it is or add another page. I'm currently erring on the side of the former....
REPD
Who is a drunkard psychotic suburban terrorist with a grudge against society and a legal license to carry firearms - I think it would be advantageous if you did watch out - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 22:04:32 (BST)

SA - you could say the same about football. Well, that's what my girlfriend says anyway :-(
JC
Who's suffering from hayfever and a cold combined - SO WATCH OUT!! - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 21:44:50 (BST)

Dr W/JC - REPD can ban whatever he likes, it's his party! Personally, I think that people only play computer games after they've finished watching the Tweenies. Same mental age required to enjoy both IMO!
Secret Agent
Had a bad day so watch out! - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 21:32:37 (BST)

Dr - there is nothing to stop you talking about computer games on here, I'm not into censorship, but you'll just get a rebuke from me every time...
REPD
Who would much rather talk about macro-economics with Vlad than bloody computer games - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 21:32:10 (BST)

REPD - I CANNOT believe there is something that won't allow ppl to talk about in here! So much for "politically unsound" :)
Dr Womble
hmph! - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 20:52:52 (BST)

Just like to add - 'Supreme Snowboarding' rules.
vlad
politics anyone? - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 19:53:50 (BST)

JC/Dr - take this particular discussion to email please...
REPD
Computer games is to SW19 what cricket is to W&WW - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 18:49:07 (BST)

JC - I play as Mario, so it would be an interesting challenge. Do you think all the "best" players play as heavy characters?
Dr Womble
Mario - a top medium player - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 18:30:10 (BST)

Aha! Championship Manager ... superb game IMO. Doc - I too have won EVERYTHING on Mario Kart, including the extra levels that you get upon completing it. I find that Wario is the better character on the game, especially in battle mode. Mate, I'm up for the challenge if you think you're good enough.
JC
- Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 18:25:49 (BST)

Dr - I have played computer games, yes. I generally gave them up when I was 12. I do have the occasional go on NHL 2000 and the pinball game they throw in with W2000 but that's it. In general, I find them tedious...
REPD
Flawed - I think we may need to reconsider.... - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 18:16:28 (BST)

REPD - have you never played a computer game in your life then?
Dr Womble
they're fun, honest - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 17:48:03 (BST)

REPD - how about Rally? Moto GP? or Alpine Skiing?
Flawed
Ok lets lokk further down the list - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 17:39:56 (BST)

Hey Girlie Don, you bored as well?
REPD
Keeping occupied. Fuck knows how - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 17:14:02 (BST)

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... sorry, is somebody talking about computer games?
REPD
Finding this as bad as anyone who goes on about Championship Manager, especially anyone who thinks they can be a real life manager on the basis of it - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 17:13:04 (BST)

BORED!
Girlie Don
BORED - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 17:12:12 (BST)

JC - I think not. I've won everything there is to win on that game, and then some
Dr Womble
undefeated... - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 16:29:13 (BST)

I can whoop anyone's beatch ass at Mario Kart!! Battle mode or Race mode, JC will be victorious!! Challengers welcome - I'm undefeated thus far ...
JC
N64 central - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 16:00:26 (BST)

Dr - what's "Mariokart"????
REPD
I know a fair bit about MLB and NHL if that helps - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 15:54:37 (BST)

I know lots about Mariokart.
Dr Womble
but that's not much help, I don't suppose - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 15:47:39 (BST)

Flawed - CART? Bollocks, used to watch it 2 years ago....
REPD
Oh dear, not making it easy for myself am I? - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 11:38:53 (BST)

REPD - how about CART?
Flawed
Watching himself on the cricket intros and break bumpers - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 11:32:44 (BST)

Flawed - not special...
REPD
You will jog for the master race - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 09:45:48 (BST)

You can never have enough sites.....
Flawed
REPD - how is your tennis knowledge? - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 09:41:40 (BST)

DD - funnily enough, the SW19 EOSP (out very soon) may cover something like that...
REPD
Football games for 18 years, Internet since 1995, can even remember the first WFC site (by Andy Stubbs) - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 09:12:44 (BST)

DD - so you appeared about the same time as me then? I don't understand your point about sites though...
Dr Womble
is it coincidence that I'm thinking of a doing a new site? - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 08:50:47 (BST)

doc... footie games about 23 yrs (cant remember much about the first ones though), dons games about 20 years i think, guestbooks about 9 months or so. thought; is it bettee to have many decent sites, or a few v good ones?
dubai don
- Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 07:32:08 (BST)

Lieu W - unconfirmed rumours that Caskey has signed, can't publish it yet because it's not concrete. Crouch is going to Pompey apparently (he may have done already), Darlington is wanted by Gills and Lockwood may be coming to us or Millwall. But he'll be costly (�1m, and I don't think he's worth it). Kimble? We can just about squeeze another season out of him, Kramer can only improve, and remember we have Des Byrne and Kjetil Waehler (who GA.Com rates VERY highly) so maybe we don't need a LB? Agree it's down to confidence, we showed plenty of it the second half of the season. A good start is vital... Oh, and I've been delayed AGAIN with the EOSP, it ***will*** be available this week (it's written up mostly), please be patient..
REPD
Lieu W - do I know you? - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 22:18:14 (BST)

so repd: do u think caskey, darlington, and lockwood will be good accusitions? i have heard we are after the "freak" (peter crouch) to those who dont know aswell. i think if we get those three and clear out the bollock in the form of kimble and co then we as from the man gareth ainsworth mouth can in fact rip up this division. methinks confidence is the key though dont you ?
lieutenant womble !
in da badboy pad - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 19:25:25 (BST)

Flawed - it's like going on a long plane journey : the more you think about the journey time, the longer it drags on...
REPD
Any news yet BTW on the thing I asked u about last week? - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 18:30:40 (BST)

please can pre-season hurry up....
Flawed
who is bored and hated Big Brother the first time around - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 17:43:42 (BST)

Goint to rain 2moro? Brilliant!
Dr Womble
happy days.... - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 16:25:16 (BST)

JC - don't watch Big Brother I'm afraid.....
REPD
Going to rain tomorrow, apparently - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 16:23:33 (BST)

Err ... can we talk about something relevant please? Like ... err ... that blonde bird from Big Brother's nice isn't she? Helen I think her name is ... mmmmmm ...
JC
E4 (the channel not the postcode) - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 16:18:48 (BST)

DD - I guessestimate that hundreds of hours are spent in various gbs by people - we may as well use them to expand our minds.
Dr Womble
how long have you been gbing, btw? - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 15:42:16 (BST)

i quite liked that one too:) actually think it's quite an achievement that we've managed to have a detailed political debate in here without random pal-arse style abuse. i'd visit a satirical current affairs site if i knew of one. but i'm sure there is one somewhere..?
dubai don
why is it that everyone is off sick, the office is dead, ive bugger all to do and just as im about to go home...the fax, email and phone all go into one - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 14:23:55 (BST)

Whilst this may not be a universally popular view, I really admire the fact that some contributors to this guestbook (and WWW...although sadly things have gone rather sterile at the moment) can see beyond WFC, for the moment, and discuss other issues with a reasonably high level of intellect, which of course leads to vehement disagreement. I'm sure this will run its course soon enough once next season's fixtures come out and we have some genuine WFC topics to get excited by, but for now, let the reasoned debate continue.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
At work of course - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 14:18:37 (BST)

DD - I was actually kidding. On second thoughts, if somebody actually wants to do a satirical/serious site on this sort of stuff, I may be persuaded to contribute to it....
REPD
Who genuinely likes "World In Traction" - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 14:01:09 (BST)

current affairs site names? what type of site is it going to be (serious, satirical etc)and what format (forum, news etc): wassup?..... the-thought-gallery.... robs-gob.... mindout .....universally-challenged .... wwfswedishfanny.com (gets the hits!).... clintons-cigar.... world-in-traction .... panoramabanana ... news-tastic.com .... repds-people.... dubyas-doodles... thethinktank.com... errrm...
dubai don
or were you kidding? - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 13:46:08 (BST)

Vlad - I can only speak from my own (in)direct experience here (my dad has worked in Khazakstan, and basically he reckons that they would have the US $ as their currency tomorrow if they could), but the key here is technology. It can be argued that if such countries aren't, ahem, "encouraged" to change they'd probably wither and die anyway. Other neighbouring countries may be quicker off the mark with regards to it and can build accordingly. The best example I can think of ATM is Cuba : it's practically the last bastian of communism, probably most resistant to WTO pressure. When Castro pops his clogs, watch Cuba suddenly become more westernized - a lot of Cubans try to escape to the US anyway, so obviously they're fully aware of globalization (if they didn't, why would they want to leave?). The exploitation subject is a bit of a fine line, especially with regards to labour, but when you look at cost of living in those places and the alternatives that many of those living there face, are you really surprised that it goes on?
REPD
About to start a new current affairs website. Catchy name needed - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 12:32:32 (BST)

Not capitalist companies forcing in, but IMF/WTO imposing conditions on developing countries, eg proportion of debt to public expenditure, opening up to competition, privatisation etc. All part of the free-market ideology. There was a global trade economy in the 30's, that's why it had such a widespread effect, world trade had been the engine for colonisation and the western expansion of the US for 150 years. The difference today is the globalisation of technology means that stock exchanges/brokers/dealers etc can be on-line at any time and can have a major influence on economic realities anywhere. Yes, for the western consumer there are benefits, personally I wouldn't go to some of the more exploitative places anyway.
vlad
more interesting than work - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 12:11:37 (BST)

Vlad - it may have been a global effect, but the global economy certainly wasn't as well developed as it is now. Globalization : "forcing" their way in? So why don't those respective governments keep them out? Oh yeah, I forgot, they seem perfectly OK to take the evil capitalist buck when it suits them. For me, globalization means being able to use a cashpoint card anywhere in the world (and for all the ethics associated with it, when it comes down to something like that you'll be fucking glad of it). Are we being "swamped"? A lot of people down in Kent reckon they are. I think Kent county council are having to rehouse many migrants in places like Lincolnshire and Merseyside, and Kent isn't that "small". The serious point here is, if councils are having to farm people off to different parts of the country out of necessity rather than choice, does that suggest that there is more of a problem than one may admit...?
REPD
Anyone know how to talk to some members of my family without wanting to kill them? - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 11:49:01 (BST)

On the contrary, the Great Depression was probably the first global crisis, all of Europe suffered in a similar way, that was one of the reasons Fascism became so strong. Not only the vulnerable were affected, but I agree they are at most risk. The globalisation effect today is more the result of free trade proponents forcing developing countries to adopt a model of capitalism that is not appropriate for them. If a more enlightened (dare I say liberal) approach is taken, then genuine fears can be addressed rather than exploited. We are not being swamped on a tiny island, there is nothing to be scared of.
vlad
if its crap, drop the subject - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 11:26:20 (BST)

Vlad - the point is, when you get economic downturns the first people to suffer are the "vulnerable". If you believe it's a new phenom with globalization then you're wrong. USA in the 30s? Germany before WW2? Wasn't exactly a global economy then was it?
REPD
Sometimes, I just don't need any more crap than usual - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 11:17:25 (BST)

If I did miss the point, what was it? Why is there increasing intolerance - IMHO its because prejudiced viewpoints based upon half-truths and exaggerations are peddled by politicians/newspapers serving their own ends.
vlad
war in the Balkans for 10 years, in Afghanistan for 20 & now the Taliban, China as repressive as ever , globalisation causing mass poverty/starvation - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 11:12:18 (BST)

Vlad - please, I think you've missed the point entirely...
REPD
Sigh.... - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 10:51:58 (BST)

Yes, trade is cyclical. There will be times when unemployment rises and what we should do is blame all the black people taking our jobs and making us racist. They only want to come here because we have such good public services and lax laws to regulate them. It has nothing to do with the Bristish colonisation of their countries and the subsequent instilling in them that this is a free, just country. Nothing to do with the established immigrant communities, that welcome them, nor that Britain is the home of the international language. What we should do is either lock up all foreigners when they arrive, until they prove that they have not been persecuted or that they have shed loads of money. If that fails, we should build massive fortifications around the coastline and man it with characters from Tom Sharpe novels - that'll teach any would be scroungers that Britain is not a soft touch.
vlad
more that 50% of asylum seekers are granted leave to remain and work, offices and hospitals wouldn't get cleaned if they couldn't - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 10:24:24 (BST)

Forgot to add the main point to all this : if you're getting economic turndowns in people losing their jobs etc, there becomes less need to "import" people from other places, and there is an increasing intolerance to economic migrants from "poorer" countries anyway - it's not just the UK, it's in Germany, France etc as well. If you think the UK is racist, just remember the NF hasn't got anywhere near power in the UK. You couldn't say that in France....
REPD again
Last word from me on this subject. Here, at least. - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:26 (BST)

I won't get involved in the political debate on here much longer, because it's going to bog me down otherwise : nobody has still answered my question about the asylum debate - what is the necessity for somebody migrating for "safety" from say Afghanistan having to go through 14 or so countries just to get to the UK? As I understand it, those fleeing from persecution have to go to the nearest "safe" country. Which ain't the UK. The economic argument is different, and I hope to answer GBLB's comment about free market at the same time : there is actually no such thing as the free market. Freer market, maybe, but not actually "free". If there was, there would be NO regulation whatsoever. I'm sure that there's still a great deal of protectionism going on amongst free market countries, I know the Yanks do it, I'm certain the French and Germans do it, I'm not so certain the UK does it to that extent. Part of this protectionism I would imagine covers the labour market - in many cases you would get those from outside your country (sorry FL, sore point I know) to fill vacancies that can't be filled. If that's the case with the UK, why am I hearing almost every day that x00 or x000 are being made redundant? It's not a politically correct thing to say, but shouldn't those people being made redundant be the first beneficiaries of any government scheme? Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick, but from a layman point of view that's how it appears. One final thing - Germany is now in recession officially. Watch the economic climate change, and not necessarily for the better either...
REPD
The current system sucks anyway, that's why people abuse it - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 09:55:54 (BST)

GBLB - I think as a rich country we have an ethical obligation to help real asylum seekers. Immigrant staff are not asylum seekers. They are people who pay taxes and have visas. The only people I don't want in the country are rich Chinese or whatever who rather fancy living off the state in Britain.
Dr Womble
Wandle - what about the 18 games I went to last season without an ST, and despite my workload? - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 08:57:19 (BST)

Well said GBLB!
Florida John
An immigrant up to his eyeballs in shit in the US - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 06:37:24 (BST)

Great. Almost 5 days spent without reading this g/book and I come back to find it full of election debate, and the webmaster in some of his postings blaming me and my colleagues in Whitehall for most of the ills of the country (if only we were that powerful!). Here is my twopenneth: I find it very contradictory that those on this guestbook who've been making asylum seekers an issue (and really seeking to gain political capital from the most vulnerable is pretty low in my book) seem to be all in favour of the free market, except when it comes to the movement of people (which is what the asylum problem essentially boils down to...there would be no asylum problem if we allowed for total freedom of movement). Here is a question Dr Womble might like to address: where would the NHS be without the contributions of immigrant staff, and where will it be in twenty years time without a whole lot more of these immigrants? Secondly, I think there remains a huge issue as to what sort of historical trajectory the UK is heading to, which really only the Liberal Democrats of the main parties seem remotely interested in terms of addressing policy wise. Post 76 the nation has gone down the road of the US economic model, and like it or loath it, New Labour are just as much behind this as the Tories, as the state retreats from providing all but the most essential of services. Is there an alternative to this, to be found say in some of the European economic models, or do we continue to favour the US approach? And by the way, if you want to speak about hypocrisy, well it was well and truly demonstrated today when one of the main party leaders leaders talked about his love of the family...when everyone knows he once proclaimed himself to be bi-sexual.
Greg Berry's Left Boot
Well, at least we're having a debate, which is better then apathy - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 02:03:05 (BST)

Yo Dr Womble Dude, Do you think that you will go to a game possibly next season?
Wandle
- Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 00:47:34 (BST)

DD - mail me with your address/PO Box no in UAE cos I cannot send you the pics via e-mail due to size of message. Cheers dude!
Secret Agent
Kodak central - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 21:13:57 (BST)

Doc � what I meant was that most of the people are just trying to get some money together before going to University/College or doing their A levels etc. I dare say even though U are not a doctor yet U are no less a valuable member of society as anyone else and is due at least some courtesy/respect.
Tomsk
If u don't like something it's ususally better to vote with your feet - they will soon get the message or go bust! - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 20:58:29 (BST)

NS - Are you that Palace tit?
JC
- Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 14:02:58 (BST)

Vlad - "Tony Blair would be Gary Lineker". And I thought you liked him? :)
REPD
NS - Wimbledon I think. Could be Tooting though. Not really a vote-catcher TBH - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 13:43:20 (BST)

Election questions : which ward covers plough lane area ? which of the candidates supports dons returning "home" ? or are there no votes in it.
NS
se25 - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 13:37:30 (BST)

doctors and nurses - a game played by children (and fetishists), similar to mummies and daddies, but without the babies.
vlad
if politics were football, Tony Blair would be Gary Lineker - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 13:17:34 (BST)

Tomsk: "Doc � I am not arguing over the political or social morals of the subject, but the fact that he said �fucking chimps can't do anything right!!�( 18:16:54 (BST) in reference to the people I actually know! People like yourself who one day may wish to aspire to become a doctor or a nurse." What does that mean? I am completely confused by the doctor/nurse bit.
Dr Womble
who lives in McDonalds, London Bridge - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:47:28 (BST)

Dr - will send it to you soon
REPD
Still on the Flixonase - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:40:40 (BST)

I agree.. politoc, schmolitics... REPD, send me that McDonalds email pleeze.
Dr Womble
bored, but out soon - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:39:52 (BST)

Vlad - it's all down to personal experiences, and whether you believe that one party's policies are better than another. Of course it's not a balanced view. Life isn't balanced. And as nice as it would be to take all the good points and put them into one nice big glob, it ain't gonna happen....
REPD
After today, I think we need to knock the politics stuff on the head for now - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:39:03 (BST)

Blair is not a WFC fan, therefore he doesn't get my vote.
Dr Womble
simple as that - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:35:31 (BST)

REPD - politics is moving on from its tribal phase, you assume that because you and your family have interest in small businesses that automatically means that the Tories are best for you - take a look at this link for a balanced appraisal of all parties position re small business - http://www.fsb.org.uk/policy/election2001/policiesnotpolitics.asp
vlad
I've lost around 30% income thanks to IR35 - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:31:37 (BST)

NS - I wasn't asked in the earnings survey (how many people were? Does anyone know who was surveyed?), but had I been, our percentage would have been higher, unless I replaced someone else who was earning that amount. However, I doubt whether I would be earning that sort of dosh if I lived anywhere other than the south east!
Secret Agent
Coutts of London - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:09:44 (BST)

NS - I'll leave others to answer the 50k p/a a year thing. June Whitfield buggered off in 1991, and her hubby has gone back to supporting Pompey. Cow.
REPD
Moss, mounds and Morden - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 11:22:02 (BST)

how come Dons fans top the poll of high earners; ie wedging over 50 grand p/a ? And another thing does June whitfield go I mean is she a go-er?
NS
sun, surf and selhurst - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 11:15:15 (BST)

All - I am currently doing the SW19 EOSP for 2k/2k1. It may even be up tonight, but no promises...
REPD again
Of course, drinking Canadian Club doesn't help... - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 11:09:15 (BST)

C - hi.
REPD
Always feels down - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 10:51:58 (BST)

REPD - Hi.
Nice Girl C
feeling rather down these days... - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 10:11:06 (BST)

Vlad - by that line of reasoning, there are no Labour supporters on here either - just anti-Tory...
REPD
With somewhat sore head - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 09:19:48 (BST)

DOn't want to get this whole political debate going again ;), but I am tempted to include SA in my WFC guestbook survey of overt Tory supporters, but the justification is merely a negative reason to vote for them and offers no "support" to their policies or politicians, so I'm not going to count it.
vlad
there must be some Tories out there somewhere? - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 08:22:13 (BST)

REPD - I'll have a look at the "McDonald Files" too, pls :) One of my mates used to be a manager at McDs and said it was fine.....
Dr Womble
another empty day - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 08:14:15 (BST)

SA - don't worry, I'm not busy as such. Just trying hard to avoid spending money...
REPD
Bored, and in need of stimulation which doesn't come from a bottle - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 23:19:18 (BST)

REPD - thanks mate, no rush if you're busy.
Secret Agent
Qietened down in here lately...... - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 23:17:49 (BST)

JC - I think I ought to send you the email that Tomsk sent me. I wouldn't call those who work in a certain branch in the LB of Sutton what you just did...
REPD
SA - will do "SOTS" for you ASAP - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 23:09:43 (BST)

REPD - just gone to the test site and no problems with navigation. But then I don't have any problems navigating here now!
Secret Agent
NCCC HO - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 23:08:34 (BST)

Tomsk - don't get like that with me mate. For a start, I never once directly called McDonalds' employees 'monkeys'. I referred to them as 'chimps' as I do anyone who carries out a relatively low-skilled, low-paid jobs. I too have friends who work in McDonalds, and yes, I still stand by the fact that their jobs are relatively simple, and could possibly be carried out by our ancestral friends. Don't get me started on the service at McDonalds son. I've spent more money and there, and had more reasons to complain about the stupidity of the staff there, than anyone else on this GB. So DON'T tell me what I can and can't say. Comprend�?
JC
Sutton - not far from 3 McDonalds' restaurants ;-) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 23:05:23 (BST)

Just read through three days posts as I haven't had access for that long. Shame really as I'd liked to have entered the political debate as it happened, but now I'll have to put down a few comments from memory! Dr W - yes, an increased majority for Labour is a bad thing for the country. The same would be true if the Tories were in power. Ali - the difference between the immigrants coming here and those going to France is that they know there is a better than even chance of them getting away with it here. Also, we are a tiny country compared to France and Germany, with a similar population and don not have sufficient (quality) housing to accommodate the people that are already resident in the UK. If we have our own house in order, then fine, but we don't and haven't had since the fifties. Vlad - I shall be voting Tory to try and reduce the Labour majority. I shall be hugely surprised if it has an effect, but I shall try to make it so, and am happy to state that here!
Secret Agent
Starburst Joosters, mmmmmm! - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 23:05:21 (BST)

Tomsk - received, dealing with it ATM...
REPD
Walking round my back room is a bit like playing Twister, only more dangerous - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 22:37:55 (BST)

I'll email you - ok !!
Tomsk
Calm - but you shouldn't S**T on your own IYSWIM ;) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 22:03:04 (BST)

Tomsk - calm down :) What McDs are we talking about anyway?
REPD
I've just received a call from the BBC, they want all of us to go on "On The Record" next Sunday - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:55:21 (BST)

Dr - the problem comes when you pay high wages to people who don't deliver. Witness M&S. Witness Railtrack. Paying high wages does not necessarily guarantee success. It takes a lot more to guarantee success....
REPD again
My throat is severely bunged up. Why? - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:53:58 (BST)

Doc � I am not arguing over the political or social morals of the subject, but the fact that he said �fucking chimps can't do anything right!!�( 18:16:54 (BST) in reference to the people I actually know! People like yourself who one day may wish to aspire to become a doctor or a nurse.
Tomsk
3 posts in one day - Phew! - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:53:28 (BST)

Tomsk - the editorial content will remain exactly the same. The redesign is there because I want to cut down stuff (I'm scrapping "Odds" par example) and basically make it look neater. Rest assured, my independent thoughts and thinking will not be compromised for any moral or financial* gain (* - �100k minimum)
REPD
This week, I will mostly be coming down with a cold at this rate - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:42:43 (BST)

The point JC was making was in response to REPD's comment about MPs. I agree with JC... in order to get the best people, you need to pay high wages. IMO, you should have the best people in the country working for the government, and not working for international corporations.
Dr Womble
there - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:39:27 (BST)

REPD � I like this site as it is, but it�s your site and you do what ever you want to it. It dares to be different IMO. But I much prefer evolution as to revolution on one of my favourite GB�s.
Tomsk
BEWARE - It doesn�t matter who U vote for they shall always be our �Political Slave Masters� - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:33:42 (BST)

JC � Please don�t call the people in MacDonald�s �monkeys� a lot of them I know personally and I can tell you that quite a few are a) University/College students and b) WFC supporters, including the �manager� of the store. They probably run out of milk due to the fact that the government TOURCHED a lot of the cows earlier this year.
Tomsk
Hardly their fault really is it mate :) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:32:49 (BST)

REPD - phew! JC - that pic may be fake, but there are people out there like that..... nasty!
Dr Womble
a chipolata with your breakfast, sir? - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 21:02:38 (BST)

I'd kill myself if I was anything like that.
JC
- Monday, May 28, 2001 at 19:56:20 (BST)

JC - I received THAT picture. That could easily be a new SW19 front cover...
REPD
There. And feeling a tad twitchy. - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 19:28:04 (BST)

Doc - check ur e-mail in a mo.
JC
- Monday, May 28, 2001 at 19:23:32 (BST)

JC - the restaurant managers get paid pretty well. Not too sure if that buggers your monkey theory or not..... Dr (and everyone else) - the guestbook on the mirror site IS NOT GOING TO BE THE NEW GUESTBOOK. It's going to be exactly the same as this one. In fact, it'll most likely be this one...
REPD
Sorry, but the football was on.... - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 19:20:29 (BST)

REPD - looks smart, but I cannot stand that new guestbook. I don't have a problem with a banner at the top, but the whole format of that gb bugs me. In fact, it bugs me to such an extent that I wouldn't use it.
Dr Womble
being difficult, but honest - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 19:07:57 (BST)

REPD - pay peanuts, get monkeys. One of McDonalds' favourite saying so I hear. But it sounds fair to me.
JC
Fucking McFlurries - none at Sutton, and only caramel at Cheam ... fucking chimps can't do anything right!! - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 18:16:54 (BST)

OK then all you reactionaries, commies and other subversive reprobates :) Here is what has been keeping me from doing the EOSP - http://gash.net/~repd/mp3/newfront.htm . A couple of you may even have seen it, but this is what it should look like when it's "up" so to speak. What I'd like is for people just to look through it, let me know if you find it easy to navigate, how I can make it run faster etc etc. I want to relaunch the site in the summer to make it even easier to follow, and I want to get it "right" IYSWIM. Now, onto the poll....
REPD
The things I do for you..... - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 17:41:25 (BST)

CUNW - personally, I reckon hypocricy is the worst trait of all. Too much of it about, unfortunately. I've been both sides of the employee/employer debate, and the biggest problem is balance. No, you shouldn't treat anyone who works for you like shit, but at the same time if somebody isn't doing what you pay them to do (ie wasting your money) then you do have that "right" to act accordingly. TBF many companies who treat their employees like dirt don't last that long anyway, for one reason or another. Mind you, even when I was working for an ex-PSA company I never had anything like union representation, never considered it once. Nobody wanted it anyway (if anything the top brass needed protection from the people working for them). From my own POV, I think that a "safety net" is sufficient, most on the dole (and this is absolute FACT) don't just live off the �50 a week they give you. I'll say no more. Hard to explain the US way of thinking unless you actually know it (IYSWIM) but the best way I can put it is that Yanks value liberty above everything else. They accept much more readily than anyone else in the world that people do fail, and it's a necessary part of being successful. And nobody really questions it at all...
REPD
Bolton 1 PNE 0 at HT. - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 16:13:32 (BST)

not Rob I don't believe the other parties don't have bigots in them, I oppose bigotry wherever its comes from. Yes I do believe thta the government should as you put in "interfere" in employment issues to stop exploitation of the workforce by unscupulous employers, this belief extneds equally to the private sector as the public. Why should an employer be alloed to do wtf they want to its staff. And the free market allows the rich to get richer and the poor to be expolited this is why it is wrong. Ifyou believe in it you don't believe in the welfare state, the N.H.S. or any collective form of provision you want ti be U.S.A. thats fine. Personally I think their ambulanbce chasing insurance checking systyem fucking stinks that the free market
c.u.n.w.
Tottenham - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 15:35:21 (BST)

JC - and the free market is the main reason why SW19's ARMY is able to exist.
REPD
And if that doesn't end that particular little argument nothing will... - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 15:27:44 (BST)

Tories believe in the free market. The free market fucked our economy last time they were in power. Don't let it happen again.
JC
Who will be voting Lib Dems in order to prevent the Tories winning in Sutton - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 14:54:01 (BST)

CUNW - depends what your views are of how employment should be. Self-employed people generally don't expect the state to run their affairs, those in the public sector do. I want as little government control as possible, so I can get on with my work without having form after form to fill in, only to be lost by some fuckwit in Merseyside. Yes, I am bitter. BTW, do you believe that nobody in the other main parties have any level of bigotry or racial hatred in them? Just asking.... Vlad - assuming he hasn't gone to Europe by them to further his own political career. British people? Oh, fuck them....
REPD
Excuse me for being out of breath, I've just been carrying compost - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 13:46:36 (BST)

DW - Labour are committed to increased spending on the NHS, it may not satisfy you, but they will get in again and they will improve the NHS. I expect it to include much greater private finance and management involvement. The proof of the pudding will be in 4 years time, my guess is that by then you will be pretty close to voting for good old TB, the man who will lead liberalism to its re-establishment at the heart of British politics.
vlad
for when you get in - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 12:21:04 (BST)

Dr Womble , REPD there are two things you need to understand about policies of the Tories. The are for selfish people who do not believe in community,the welfare state, or the NHS. Secondly they don't eve nadd up. If you think it was a good thing for mAggie to take on organised Lanbour fine waht it has led to is quite simple a country where in the name of flexibility workers get treated like shit, where they have the least generous terms and condition is the senior members of the European Union and where they are easiest and cheapest to get rid off. Perhaps I am old fashioned but I don't see anyhting wroing with paying more tax for public services and I don't subsribe to the idea htat we are being flooded with mostly bogus asylum seekers.What we need in this country is more progressive/left of centre idea not more of the same old Thatcherite bash the employees agenda. btw I haven't decided who I am voting for yet but I would never in a million years consider voting for a racist bigotted party like the Tories. I hope they split after the election because I do believe there may be some thoroughly decent peole in their part who have been swamped by reactionary view of the twin sety and pearls and Colonel Blimps who run the Tories. Dangerous nasty racist bastards
certain unamed womble
Safe Labour Seat - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 12:19:02 (BST)

Sorry to interrupt Dimbleby yet again, would anyone have any objection to this guestbook having a banner like the archives have? It would make my life much easier TBH...
REPD
Advocating real democracy, in a fascist dictator sort of way - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:47:37 (BST)

PR has support from sections of the Labour party because it is just, not because they think it will wipe out the opposition. TB is not a supporter and the new manifesto probably doesn't have much concrete to say about it. It was a legacy from the days of greater grass-roots participation in policy making, the main issue though is that its 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' as far as power goes, but fair play to them for introducing it in to other elections, although the party list system is a device for centralised control.
vlad
still waiting for those policies - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:37:34 (BST)

Oh yeah, we should scrap all the peripheral Royals.... they have no right to take vast sums off us.... I agree that the monarchy is good for tourism, but would any less tourists come if Princess Michael of Kent wasn't a princess anymore?
Dr Womble
off out - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:36:30 (BST)

Vlad - most of my old school friends don't vote Tory, and my uni friends mostly didn't go to public school.
Dr Womble
bored out of my mind, but out all week - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:30:24 (BST)

vlad, like to agree with you on the first bit. wilson almost exposed it, maggie certainly did (no-one argues with a woman?) and blair is content to assume it. the whole thing is an anachronism, but the only way it will change is if the third party gets some sort of power within govt - which i think is what pantsdown was aiming for - preferably because the main party neds them. no party of gov't will give away their power.
dubai don
power: 'the ability to procure a wicshed for response in the actions of another"....i remember the quote, but who the &^% said it? - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:15:07 (BST)

Vlad - PR was considered by Labour until it backfired on them during the last Euro election and the Mayor of London. If you introduce a different system of election mainly to wipe out the opposition, it never works.
REPD
Well, at least this debate has a degree of intelligence to it, which is more than the proper election - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:13:28 (BST)

PR would be a major step forward, there is a serious democratic deficit in the UK, from the ridiculous monarchy, through the Lords, throw in the centralised nature of the state and its powers of patronage and the voting system and it is a recipe for authoritarian government. Funny how to some people its only a problem now that its Labour who have it.
vlad
might not make you a Tory, but odds are your family, friends and social circle most likely are - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:09:52 (BST)

ahh, the wonders of the minimum wage. i see the commies ignored the fact that, for 3.50 or whatever it is, you can buy a house in newcastle or a tin of asparagus in london. a flat-rate *national* minimum wage makes little sense, but the geordies love blair and co for it. funny that.
dubai don
the uae has an interesting system. got a job with a wage your qualifications justify? you can have a visa then. if not, enjoy your holiday and laterz. no vagrants or pensioners or any sort of 'drain' on the economy allowed unless born here. very cynical use you while you are good system, but it attracts the top minds, as well as those willing to do menial jobs. - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:09:14 (BST)

Right, before we descend into "my party is better than your party" guttersniping, here's where I'm coming from. As previously explained, both my parents come from the blue side of the political spectrum. My dad (and my grandad come to think of it) always has been. My mum was a Labour supporter until about 1982, then when the SDP was formed supported them until 1992. She became a Conservative because she went into business with my dad and was not too impressed by the way Labour were going to treat small businesses. It was far easier to set up a small business in 1991 than it is now. This is my bitter experience, and similar stories have been told. Therefore, Labour does absolutely nothing for people like me, and from their 4 years in power, that ain't gonna change for the better - especially with Europe which is why I'm against Euro integration. Bureacracy stifles, which is where most funding problems come from IMO. There is another reason why I am anti-Labour, and it's something to do with too many of their supporters having a sanctimonious, self-righteous attitude......
REPD
Oh yeah, I've got a job to do - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 11:08:44 (BST)

Ali, you are right, I aint a high and mighty geazer who hasnt seen this sort of thing. Me thinks with the money we spend on housing etc perhaps we could get the people back to their country, and make it a safer place for them to live? I dunno, I am biased on this matter, my old man has his own company, it is clear for him to vote for conservitives, it is the goverment for the buisness man. But my arguement is, if the small buinesses get crushed by Tax, the high minimum wage, which is good for working people (which I can tell you has fucked up some buinesses i can tell you)where will you work? What will happen to britain. It is a long way off, I know. I am sure the conservitives will get in next time. I am not talking with pride like i do about wimbledon f.c, but it would make sense to see them go in again. I may well have talked a load of ass then, i dunno...
adam(superdon)
contemplating cetain situations - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:52:21 (BST)

I don't come from a family of doctors... my mother is a nurse.
Dr Womble
I did got o public school, does that make me a Tory? - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:44:33 (BST)

have to chip in here...the HoC isn't really representative. we use a FPTP system. PR, as used in italy and parts of ireland (and part of the socialist manifesto ironically) leads to a more realistic balance of power, but weak (as opposed to 'authoritarian') gov't in most cases. look at the 1991 results to compare % of votes to % of seats per party...there's no bloody correlation!
dubai don
a-ha! - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:44:31 (BST)

Not counting Sundays because they follow the Daily line. In terms of support at the election most don't declare until closer to polling day, but my guess is - Tory - Telegraph, Times, Mail Labour - Independent, Guardian, Financial Times, Star ?, Mirror, Express - ? probably tory, (unless tb has promised to make Desmond a Lord), Sun. But in terms of their political positioning only the Mirror, Guardian and Indie can be characterised as left-wing in any shape or form. Basically, you have to get a mag to get leftie views these days -Red Pepper, New Statesman (occassionally), Big Issue, Tribune.
vlad
OK so you come form a family of doctors, no Tories around then? - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:42:19 (BST)

DD - how amusing is that guest book convo involving "Cat" in itmustbedons.com!
Dr Womble
who decided not to wade in - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:39:52 (BST)

My experience is pretty limited - you're right. It's not like I spend most days on a hospital ward. It's not like I'm taught by people who run the hospital. It's not like I've worked in 4 different hospitals. It's not like I have family friends who are consultants all over the country. It's not like my mother is a nurse, and has been for 20 years.
Dr Womble
stupidity central - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:38:42 (BST)

scuse me if i'm talking out me arse, but what was the tax situation in hong kong pre-'communism'? i know everything was expensive, but inflation is only a number, right?
dubai don
been a long time since those heady days of comparative political studies degrees - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:38:09 (BST)

Would the country not be better served by a smaller majority, so other parties who themselves have been democratically elected, have more say in the running of the country?
Dr Womble
walking in a Thatcher wonderland ;) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:36:28 (BST)

DW I feel that you are generalising from the particular, and I'm sure you feel that you know a lot about the NHS, but you must admit your experience is pretty limited. It probably doesn't make much of a difference whether the overall majority is 35 or 250, the important fact is it appears to reflect what the country thinks about the last 4 years. It may yet turn around, but in the words of Maggie - there is no alternative. Labour is doing well because they have positioned themselves in the centre (roughly where Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan were), they never were socialist, it was a sop from the political class to their union paymasters.
vlad
papers to come - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:35:42 (BST)

Anything that keeps the Tories out until I die is good for the country IMO. If that means a Labour majority of 220, so be it.
Ali
- Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:34:30 (BST)

The lef wing papers? Oh, ok. The Mirror - currently running their "shop a Tory" campaign. The Sun. The Guardian. The NOTW. The Daily Star. The Independent to an extent. The Sunday Mirror. The Independent on Sunday.
Dr Womble
none, really :) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:29:17 (BST)

Ok, question for Ali and Vlad - do you honestly think that a huge Labour majority is a good thing for this country. Yes or no?
Dr Womble
David Dimbleby central - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:24:37 (BST)

The Poll of Polls shows Labour has a 19 point lead, larger than there lead at this time in 1997. Somehow, I doubt Labour's majority will be reduced.
Ali
- Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:22:29 (BST)

The MRSA patient situation isn't a deliberate ploy by managers.... it is a result of not having enough cash to keep specialist wards open - cash that was available under the Tories.
Dr Womble
without meaning to be arrogant, don't argue with me about the NHS, its my life :) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:22:08 (BST)

DD - nice theory for the rich, pity its completely bogus. Show me a society where it works and what happens when the inevitable depression/recession kicks in? Not a good time to raise taxes to pay for the unemployed (which don't forget now includes the middle classes/blue collar), so back to the 1930's again - the US IMHO is already well on the way - they are a basket case economically, and now slashing taxes, could be bad soon.
vlad
at the keyboard - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:22:01 (BST)

Ali - I don't think the Tories will be much better... you all seem to be missing my point. If everyone votes Labour, then they will have a larger majority at the next election. This will lead to an authoritian style of government, who can't be challenged on anything. As they are plainly not perfect, this would be an awful, awful state of affairs. It is the country's best interests to have a decent opposition party. If the Lib Dems were the largest opposition party, I would vote for them, capiche?
Dr Womble
The health secretary is known as the "devil" on wards across the country - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:20:22 (BST)

Doc: tell me why and how u think the Tories will be better?
Ali
- Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:17:35 (BST)

DW - my point was that nobody that I've seen post on a WFC guestbook has admitted to being a Tory supporter. They would get slaughtered. So, those who are closet tories stick to criticising Labour, but never mention the obvious success the country is enjoying. I ask again which Tory policies would you prefer to Labour? The NHS may be a mess, but hundreds of thousands of people get treatment and a lot are absolutely delighted with it, personally I went over to private insurance about 8 years into Thatcher's regime. You must know that the NHS is a vast organisation, it does have incredible problems, particulary, I would have thought, in teaching hospitals that mainly serve urban areas that have the worst health problems. You must have heard of the postcode lottery. As for MRSA victims on mixed wards, no wonder the NHS is in a mess if basic management like that has to be left to Tony Blair to sort out. While you're at it list the "left wing" papers for me and the history of racism you accuse Labour of having, because I'm sure Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko (rip) and thousands of others would be happy to hear about it, McPherson would/did not happen under Major!
vlad
ageing population + falling birthrate = Britain requires more immigration - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:15:40 (BST)

Ali - the figures have been manipulated in the most absurd way by the government. They were way off their targets for cutting waiting lista, so they gave direct orders to refuse entry to waiting lists. This means that now a large number of people are now not even on a waiting list, and have no idea when they will get medical treatment. Furthermore, non life-threatening conditions like hernias are being given preferential treatment over life threatening conditions, because hernias are quicker to treat, and hence the waiting lists can be reduced. I don't give a flying fuck about the state of the country, because Labour's attitude to health is more than enough to persuade me not to vote for them. Wankers.
Dr Womble
MRSA - a "super bug" which is resistant to every antiobiotic in the planet... stick sufferers in wards with post-operative patients with a high infection rate, and you get fireworks. - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:14:37 (BST)

repd, i have a problem with starbucks..the coffee stinks. mocha fruppicino excused, but that leads to hartsonarsesyndrome. sorry to mention this (im not disagreeing or saying it's true but...)income tax cuts could actually help the nhs. its called the maximiser effect. people have more freedom to spend on what they choose, wealthy people use the extra to go private, poor people eat healthier food (more fresh fruit etc), houses are maintained etc. but the main factor is.... the rich buy more dvd players, the poor are employed to build them, these newly employed buy videos, more unemployed people are employed to make videos machines, these people buy tvs of their own, more people are needed to buy tvs.... AND all the while the govt get a nice chunk of it all - at every level (of which there are now more) through indirect taxes. govt revenue is increased in the log-term and the govt has more money to pump into the nhs.
dubai don
its all coming back to me now - didnt douglas adams (fairy cake?) have something to say on all this? - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:05:13 (BST)

Sorry to butt into Dimbleby, but Doc - check your email.
REPD
Wondering if the NHS wouldn't be in such a state if they didn't pay for stuff like cosmetic surgery - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 09:54:13 (BST)

Doc: well, as I said.....the labour party has only been in power for 4 years, and 6 years out of the last 30. The Tories had been in power for 24 years out of the last 30, and ofcoarse that 18 year stint. I think to blame Labour for the NHS, is rather unfair. I suppose you can say it has got worse in the last 4 years, but all the figures show that the downward slide is slowing at least. You can say that you know more about the NHS than me, maybe you do. But its not as if i have never had to use it for anything.
Ali
Tory tax cuts WILL NOT lead to a better NHS - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 09:45:55 (BST)

Bloody hell, we still at it? OK then : FL - I find the USA still is land of the free. Compared to this country it is.... West Bank - sometime this week. Probably not today as I have an outstanding thing I want to do on this site first and foremost which I should be able to do today - and yes, I want feedback from all of you bleeding heart commie loving liberals :) .... Dr - what's MRSA? More and more people today are coming out and saying that another Labour landslide would suck big time BTW - tide turning? ...... DD - UKIP, Socialist Labour Party, Socialist Alliance, Greens, some very obscure ones. I would like to see the UKIP and the Greens do rather well as it goes, even if the Green Party has a problem with Starbucks....
REPD
Who once was asked by the Bermondsey MP why I didn't want further Euro integration, and replied with "because you take enough taxpayers money as it is" - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 09:39:03 (BST)

The Monster Raving Loonies have always been a favourite of mine, although they went a step too far in Wincjester, where their manifesto pledged to pull down the Cathedral and build a circus.
Dr Womble
and that went down like a lead balloon... - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 09:03:28 (BST)

whhoaah nelly, i mean doc ;) as were 'on' politics at the moment (and i have to say this is stirring up some university vibes with me) can anyone tell me which 'other' parties are standing? do we have the rainbows, the natural laws, the greens, the good place to party etc?
dubai don
who had a bit of a to do with the nf candidate at the last count before realising who she was. she was a fat stroppy cow with a face like the proverbial smacked arse though and shouldn't have looked at me like that ;) - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 08:57:13 (BST)

Vlad - show some respect for other opinions, dude! I hardly think my opinions are based on "tabloid bullshit"... how many Tory supporting tabloids do you know? For the record, I like to think that I have a fair view of politics, and vote the way that will best serve the country. Unfortunately you seem to be a rabid Tory hater, so a flame war seems the likely outcome. I completely condemn racism in any shape or form - did I not make my feelings clear on that issue in w&ww a few weeks ago? That Tory MP should have been kicked into touch. Having said that, should all Tory MPs be tarred with the same brush? As I shouldn't have to remind you, Labour has a history of racism as well. I walk through the wards of a busy London hospital most days, and I work at grass roots level at Kingston hospital during the holidays. The NHS is a complete mess, and considerably worse than it was under the Tories. If you don't believe me, perhaps you'd like a guided tour of the wards, where MRSA victims are in the same wards as post-operative patients. My primary concern as a voter fis for the health system, and Labour have fucked it up, big time. I don't have any more respect for the Tories, but I do know that a huge Labour majority would be tantamount to an authoritian regime. At the moment, the press are ruthlessly controlled, and any dissenting voices in the Labour party are swiftly quelled. Perhaps if you read more than one paper, you yourself wouldn't be brainwashed by the left wing papers. Finally, I would be disgusted to be called a bigot if it wasn't such a laughable accusation.
Dr Womble
amused at how closely Vlad's view mirrored the Labour Party's campaign.. ie no policies, let's just rubbish the Tories - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 08:35:58 (BST)

i was quite enjoying all that actually. i wonder what the result would be if we had a dons election? traditionally/financially i suppose we 'should' be on the right/tory wing, academically we would probably fall into the lib way of thinking but, as it is, merton seems to have a pretty decent bloke from the socialists offspring (not that merton is representative of dons support). ahh, the wonder of politics.
dubai don
clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here i am; stuck in the middle with you - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 07:47:07 (BST)

Just thank your lucky stars you don't live in this facist run corporate dump. William Hague looks like Che Guevara, from here. Hope Sol campbell joins The Arse. Still keeps Chris Perry in a job, and keeps Spurts a mediocre club. Shame.
Florida John
The (so called) Land of the "Free" - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 06:19:02 (BST)

REPD-When will you have the end of season poll up?
West Bank 'til I die
The West Bank - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 00:52:51 (BST)

Vlad - people are living longer. Just look around you....
REPD
There are nutters everywhere. Even in SW19 - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 23:37:49 (BST)

REPD - just felt a bit hot under the collar, excitement of the hustings and stuff, mostly DW not you, in general, most of what you have to say is genuinely unprovacative, with the exception of your views on asylum, small/over-crowded country syndrome and over population. Where did you glean the evidence for these statements? because I think you'll find that the population is forecast to fall with an ever increasing age deficit - that is too many old people living off too few bread winners.
vlad
are there no nutters or bigots in PEckham or Brixton Hill then? - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 23:29:47 (BST)

Vlad - when you say "talk policies not tabloid bullshit" I hope you're not including me in this. I haven't bought a tabloid for 5 years and I would hope that I'm putting what I believe in a rather adult and coherent manner, even if you don't agree with it. Hell, I have to put up with loads of stuff I don't agree with.....
REPD yet again
Oh fuck it, I may as well add this bit, I'm starting to get paranoid - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 23:02:03 (BST)

Ali - if, as you say those coming from signficantly poorer countries are more welcomed in places like Germany (where Turks get firebombed) and France (where Arab/French tensions in places like Marseilles are commonplace), why do many seem to bypass these places and come to the UK? The UK has always been good to those coming from genuine problems (the Irish, the Jews, the Asian sub-continent), however land mass wise this is a small place and the UK is becoming more over-populated each day. Therefore there simply isn't enough room without mass house building. And here is the point that Adam may be hinting at : supposing that new housing is built for those seeking another life in the UK? Fair enough you would think. Unless you're somebody in the UK who's lived here all their life (disclaimer: regardless of skin colour), who may have hardships of their own, and who doesn't have the same access to newer housing. That is why racism and bad feeling starts - when the indiginous start feeling like they're being sidelined, resentment builds. Of course, in many cases those being sidelined are too thick to realise that they can lift themselves out of their rut if they want to. Anyway, I'm rambling. Just fight this amongst yourselves like adults, I need another bier.
REPD again
I have also been threatened with a knife simply because of wearing an Eire shirt. So no "you don't know the first thing about what it's like to be persecuted" stuff please. - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 22:36:43 (BST)

Could I just respectfully point out that both my parents are Tory voters and I would prefer it if they weren't slandered in such a way that suggest that they are of (a) bigoted, and (b) unsound mind. Especially as they were bought up in Peckham and Brixton Hill respectively, hardly poshe areas. Thank you.
REPD
Whistle while you wank - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 22:16:35 (BST)

Ali - nobody of sound mind and generous heart admits to being a Tory supporter. To me most "middle Britain" types spend most of their time criticising Labour for being not socialist enough. Pretty ironic really. Their view seems to be - bloody cheek these lower class types winning two landslides of us, almost as if the majority of the people like the way they are running the country.
vlad
cheering up - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 22:09:35 (BST)

Vlad: well said, absolutely 100% well said. Though may I point out to you that the Doc is not a Tory supporter.
Ali
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:51:20 (BST)

DW - in what ways exactly would the Tories be better than Labour? All I've read so far is a bunch of mis-informed, tendentious and partisan clap-trap. If you are going to talk politics, talk policies not tabloid bullshit.
vlad
very depressed by the ignorant stuff posted today - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:48:37 (BST)

Adam: I will reply to your comments when I have a bit more time on my hands, but just one point from me to start with. You say that "the one thing that does piss me off big time is the amount of foreigners coming into our country, they get good old house, and settle in our country, in other parts of the world they are kicked out straight away. " That is a misconception on your part and on several counts. Which countries are they kicked out straight away in? France has greater levels of immigration than Britain (mostly from North Africa and the middle east)and Germany has just as much (again, mostly from the middle east). These are two economies that are of a very similar size to ours. They are in fact accepted and integrated far better and far more widely than here. Also, you seem to think that all the foreigners get the best housing. I am afraid that is completely untrue. Do not take this as a personall thing by me against you, because I think you are a good lad, but when you have been chased and when you have had bottles thrown at you by NF activists for taking part in an anti racist rally, maybe you would see it differently. The immigrants are all put in the most deprived areas of town. ALWAYS. They get the most crowded, tiny, congested and deprived areas with the poorest quality housing. On top of that they get shit (literally) through their letter boxes as an arrival gift.
Ali
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:40:38 (BST)

Dr - the main thing I would do is to stop politicians drawing any wages whatsoever. No pensions, no "resettlement" crap, and certainly no fuck knows how much they earn a year. Expenses I can appreciate to a point, but I would severely reduce that to about 5k a year, no more. That will get rid of 95% of the leeches at a stroke. Actually, I would go a stage further - make running the country like jury service. You get "called up", you serve a set period (say a year), you get your expenses paid for but little else. Have a set amount of people doing it. Also totally open up Whitehall just to show exactly where your tax dough is being wasted....
REPD
Not too sure if he's a conservative, radical or just plain tosser - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:10:42 (BST)

REPD - what would you have instead then?
Dr Womble
as Mick Foley says "argghhhh" or something - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:04:07 (BST)

Dr - don't worry, most people don't agree with me :) But I've yet to be convinced that the bastion of democracy and your right to free speech is purely decided upon a piddly little cross with a pencil on a piece of paper. To quote Mick Foley - "study hard, go to school, learn a lot so then you can vote just like your buddy does". As for the mascot, I don't know, but it's good that WFC are finally starting to promote themselves "properly". It's for the kids, sure, but the kids are the future. Little bastards...
REPD
Well, I got that little lot out of my system... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:00:19 (BST)

REPD - can't agree with you on that...... BTW, what the hell was our mascot doing at the Broncos?
Dr Womble
bored, bored - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:54:33 (BST)

Dr - there is actually no point in voting in truth. Many if not most decisions are made in Whitehall...
REPD
Got an A level in politics - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:50:50 (BST)

REPD - at least you would have some say in your future, and ensure that "the lesser of the two evils" got in. Surely the Tories would be better than Labour?
Dr Womble
and failing that, go and write RUBBISH on your ballot form - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:48:54 (BST)

Dr - bloody hell, the amount of times I have to explain why I don't vote. Simple - I find it offensive that I feel morally obliged to legitimise a body of people who couldn't give a flying fuck about me. Therefore I won't do it. And I don't buy the "no voice" crap, if I was given a list of things I could have but didn't want any of it, then why should I get told not to complain? Perhaps if more and more people took my line (and it looks increasingly that way), then maybe the politicos would take notice at their decreasing legitimacy......
REPD
No vote no voice? That's what they want you to think...... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:44:08 (BST)

REPD - why the hell don't you vote?
Dr Womble
no vote, no voice! - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:38:05 (BST)

Right, to change the subject somewhat : I went to the London Broncos today. And guess what? So did the Womble mascot. I kid you not, the fat hairy costumed one was there along with the Charlton mascot and the Millwall mascot as well. No Palace mascot though, it got duffed up on a 3-on-1 attack. It was very well received, and looks like quite a nifty mover. And best of all, it tried to launch into the bloke on the PA system. Phillo watch yourself. Also, I saw a rather unsavory incident involving a rather fucked up Halifax fan with his mum and sister and a mid-40s Broncos fan. Basically, they had a row and the Halifax twat gobbed on her. Remember this incident next time you hear stories how great rugby league fans mix with each other...
REPD
Should really put this in News but I can't honestly be arsed - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:17:53 (BST)

And all this was because I likened the Lib Dems' euro policy to having a crap.....
REPD
Glad he doesn't vote - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:03:48 (BST)

I'm sorry, I was looking for SW19s Army and got Question Time, sorry.
Florida John
Seeking asylum - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 19:39:12 (BST)

Ali, I know little about politicts, but I now the most out of the guys in our school(and it will be us who will be controling the country when you are all old cold and moldy(joke!), but you are correct from what I have learned, the Labour coming in was a good thing... because people will be happy to have the tories back. My family have always backed the conservitives. But I have seen the last time, labour Fucked up big time, I am sure you remember the strikes etc in the 70's and 80's. Now the one thing that does piss me off big time is the amount of foreigners coming into our country, they get good old house, and settle in our country, in other parts of the world they are kicked out straight away. These people need help, but not as much as labour are giving them. Also all the people on benifit, the people we slave away for and do sod all, they are going to crack down big time on those pikeys. Keep the � that is only good thing. And the Labour are bringing down taxes, bollucks, they are introducing "stelfe" (spelled wrong, but you know the the plane) taxes, which we wont see or hear. The miniumum wage, and bigger taxes fuck up the average buiness man like most of my family. that was a party political broadcast by the arse(labour) part.
adam(superdon)
doing stuff - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 19:24:15 (BST)

I look at it this way : were things a bed of roses before 1979? No, the country had severe problems in collecting rubbish, labour disputes etc etc. Rightly, wrongly or indifferently, part of the Conservative remit was to deal with it, and by in large they were successful at what they set out to do. Whether it was "right" depends on your stance. I don't really know enough about asylum seeking, but there has to be something wrong when somebody from (say) Afghanistan goes through something like 14 countries to get to the UK. Are places like Germany, Denmark, France etc not "safe" enough? Or is there another, more sinister reason why they often end up in the UK? I once saw a program about how they are currently "detained", and what the Tories are proposing seems a bit better than the squalor they have to put up with now. And why does everyone get so upset about bandwagon jumping? Fuck me, have you never seen a political campaign before?
REPD
Glad he went to an un-named place this afternoon - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 18:22:10 (BST)

Ali - it has been proven that if you don't keep hold of the asylum seekers (the majority of whom are fake), then when you come to attempt to expel them, they've disappeared! A lot of emotive language is used by the Lib Dems and Labour to sway voters.... don't fall for it. It's not ideal, I agree, but would you rather every Tom, Dick and Harry were allowed in? The band-wagon policy is simply an attempt to rescue a fairly desperate situation, and shore up the vote. It is a short-term strategy, and not one that would be utilised in the long-term. The racist Tories are entirely unacceptable, but there are racists in every party.... I don't think the Conservatives are great, but I know that a huge Labour majority is infinitely worse.
Dr Womble
not a Tory supporter - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 17:16:27 (BST)

Doc: I agree 100%. As I said, I certainly do not agree with everything Labour has done. But they just to me seem to be a lot more sensible in their policies than the Tories. I'll give an example.....the tories say " we oppose the single currency in principle, FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS". Isn't that a contradiction? You either do or you don't. Similarly, do you like the idea of asylum seekers being locked up in detention centres? This from a supposedly caring and loving country. Blair has managed to reduce the asylum application backlog from 101,000 to 40,000 as well. Moving away from asylum, the New Deal (creating 1 million new jobs and bringing uneployment to the lowest in history) that the Tories are commited to scrapping, the minimum wage that the Tories first said they would scrap and then changed their mind. The Tories are nothing more than a bandwagon jumping party IMO. They had no opposition to the fuel tax rises until there was a demonstration against them, when they conveniently changed their policy (by the way, the Fuel tax escalator was started by the Tories). And on a more personal note, I cannot bring myself to support a party that has MPs who openly say " we must preserve our Anglo-Saxon heritage" and "we should have listened to Enoch Powerll" without getting the sack. Please let me say again, I do not agreee or support everything Labour has done, but I think they are far better than the Tories. And you are absolutely right when you say that we should not blame the present Tory party for the mistakes of the past, but a large number of the now Tory party were members of the cabinet under major (who promised tax cuts year on year, only to raise them on 22 seperate occasions). Yes, Labour's majority is fairly large, and I can see us now moving into a period of Labour domination, but I certainly think Labour should be given more time. 4 years is not enough to turn around 18 years. They have fulfilled 2 out of 5 of their promises, and I think that is miraculous TBH, after what the Tories had done.
Ali
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 17:08:37 (BST)

REPD-Na, I'm from England.
Don in Spain
That is now back in England - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 17:00:37 (BST)

Ali - I don't think it's fair to blame the current Conservative party for the mistakes of their predecessors. Whatever you think about Conservatives, surely you can see that a massive Labour majority is not a good thing for this country or for democracy in general. If you don't believe me, look at the laws Blair pushed through last term, such as the tuition fees. Labour are a party that support education? Don't make me laugh! Waiting lista for the NHS are down, simply because they won't allow people to join the waiting lists. The NHS is statistically speaking worse off than it was 4 years ago. Police numbers are down, not up. Labour may not have raised income tax, but they have hit us all with stealth taxes. The Labour Party is caring? What about the 75p pensions rise? Crack down on crime? What about the May Day riots? Labour have failed to fulfil all but one of their 5 election policies. Maybe that is why their whole campaign has been aimed at passing the buck.
Dr Womble
cut the Labour majority ffs! - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 16:55:44 (BST)

Politics being discussed on SW19s ARMY, now that is strange. No seriously though, I have not ever nor will ever vote for the Tories. They disgust me. They can slag off Labour for the NHS, education etc, but it is important to remember that out of the last 30 years, the Tories have been in power for 24. Things do not change over night, particularly after 18 years of underinvestment. Ofcoarse I am not saying that I agree with everything Labour has done. Far from it. But I feel that they are by far the best people to govern us at the moment. One of the biggest mistakes the Tories could have made was to appoint William Hague as their leader.....he is a complete joke. It should have been Keneth Clarke. Oh, and this has been by far the most negative campaign ever, not just from Labour, but from the Tories as well.
Ali (who does not believe in lowering taxes)
voting Lib Dem, tactically - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 16:26:05 (BST)

Just logged in now this minute? Who the hell has been writing all these messages, pretending to me?
Dr Womble
and you can't prove anything with log files, I'm behind a fire-wall :) - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 13:06:32 (BST)

ahh got it. mmmm, i've heard that too (that campbell is leaving) nice one.
dubai don
but is it true that beckham has a knack of getting in round the back and swinging his balls in? - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 13:05:27 (BST)

DD - I think he's saying it's crap to get the authorities off his back. Too late son - once you join the SW19 subversive ring, you claim the credit but face the fall....
REPD
Well, I'm off to watch the L****n B*****s at the V****y so nobody grass me up - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 13:01:53 (BST)

DD - I haven't received or sent any emails.. I was referring to the news that Campbell is leaving Spurs.
Dr Womble
Who is Goodson-Crick? - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 13:00:23 (BST)

i'm missing a vital link here. which bit is crap? i believe it 99%. what is your bit?
dubai don
has anyone seen the doc yet, he could be dr goodson wickes or something ;-) - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:58:16 (BST)

REPD - what email?
Dr Womble
not understanding what REPD is on about - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:57:44 (BST)

i await with baited breath, and slightly poo poo'd pants.
dubai don
this could be interesting - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:55:52 (BST)

Dr - you never said that in the email :)
REPD
Dammit - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:55:28 (BST)

REPD, DD - it's all a pile of crap, so there!
Dr Womble
not believing a word of it - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:53:02 (BST)

Dr - DD's email should be in the email I sent you. I would refrain ATM from publishing email addresses...
REPD
Who will no longer tell anyone where he is going - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:45:17 (BST)

DD - I'll send it to you as well....... what's your email, dude?
Dr Womble
protecting sources - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:43:54 (BST)

Dr - sent. I just nobody from MI5 is reading this.
REPD
All we need now is some dirt on Blair - and there's bound to be some - and we could be in government within a week - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:43:45 (BST)

DD - I'll send it to as well........ it is top stuff, but confidentiality is a must.
Dr Womble
sources protected - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:41:56 (BST)

doc...in return, does repd have permission to send me yours?
dubai don
don't let this info 'fall out of the circle' (not with my name attached anyway) - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:41:02 (BST)

Dr W - will do so..
REPD
DD - I could not possibly publish that.... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:36:32 (BST)

REPD - I have the same information on Hague... mail me what DD has, and I'll sens y'all what i have, plus something very juicy on a certain person who has just become the manager of a nationwide team.
Dr Womble
dirt digging central - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:25:46 (BST)

DD - will keep it quiet...
REPD
The fittest bird I ever met was Welsh... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:18:02 (BST)

repd...sketchy details in the mail...just dont publish it!!!
dubai don
it's just you - and with that statement goes any chance i ever had of getting laid in wales :\ - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:12:56 (BST)

DD - you'll have to email me the thing on Hague. If true, perhaps he ought to come out. Lib Dems in theory should be massive but they aren't. Possibly because simply nobody really cares about them. How would a new party gain national prominence? PR.......
REPD
Is it me, or are Welsh birds generally fit? - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:56:19 (BST)

repd believe me, hague is a queer twat - and part of that is provable ask the Daily Mail ;-) i thought the libs had the opportunity to become that party of mass apeal but they dont have the ammo and the leader doesn't have the ambition (to stop drinking as much as anything) their pr is patchy (partially due to the failings of the mass media, i know) and their constituency doesn't allow them certain freedom from fringes. ironic for a party with liberal in its name. other than that, i cant see where the party would come from. even the referendums (with all their cash) didnt do much. a second policy may have helped i guess.
dubai don
hence their dodgy haircuts?) - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:51:33 (BST)

DD - "not mainstream". Ah, that's better. Gave up reading the Sun years ago, Mirror used to be readable under Maxwell, was an Express reader until 5 years ago. Nowadays I read my mum's Telegraph and that's it.
REPD
Very much into politics, wouldn't vote if you paid me. Correlation? - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:47:46 (BST)

i meant obscure as in not mainstream. its a good site (and i spend a lot of time here so im told) but its not the-sun.co.uk - where muchos bollox is spouted.
dubai don
usedtobeintopoliticsville - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:45:31 (BST)

DD again - I've always wondered what would happen if a "new" mass appeal party ever rose to prominence. I know in Canada the established centre-right party was usurped by a "new" centre-right party, split the centre-right vote though. Also, don't be totally surprised if people like the UKIP, Greens and Socialist Alliance get more than a few votes...
REPD again
Not too sure if Mr Hague is a "queer twat" with his missus.... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:44:44 (BST)

DD - "obscure"? :) I'm suppressed.... Oh, "worst gov't i have seen for a while but with the least opposition". Agree 100%, and I think a lot of people feel the same.
REPD
SW19's ARMY - the politically unsound website that doesn't kowtow to the Blair government. Doesn't exactly scan... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:38:28 (BST)

funny that i have to come to an obscure footie site to find other labour-questioners. i'm no means tory with that queer twat in charge, but labour have robbed the students, robbed the lottery , mugged the farmers and robbed the pensioners. and done f*** all to improve the economy. its all a bit of 'inspite of' rather than 'because of' with them. the worst gov't i have seen for a while but with the least opposition. shame kennedy is a lazy drunk (and i dont think he'll be taking me to court for libel on that either iyswim) or we could have seen a 'new', sensible party emerge. hughes would have done a better job if he could organise himself (ie not be late for meetings) and earn the respect of colleagues (and lay off the gear). having said all that, casale has always seemed okay (so did willetts) even if i couldn't vote for his party.
dubai don
considering whether to postal vote - don't live there but want it to be in one piece upon my return - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 11:30:54 (BST)

the Germans even
Dr Womble
typo central - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:47:17 (BST)

REPD - or a pleasant surprise.
Dr Womble
amused that the German's took the piss out of us - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:46:39 (BST)

Dr - like I say, wait and see come June 8th. Some people may have a nasty shock...
REPD
Many political commentators are tied up with their favourites... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:45:32 (BST)

REPD - I can only hope you're right, and not because I'm a manic Tory... but tbh I can't see it happening. In all honesty, Labour will win with a huge majority, at least as big as 1997's, and Brown will take over from Blair, probably towards the end of the second term. A deal was obviously struck, because Brown didn't stand against Blair in the leadership election.
Dr Womble
talking more sense than a lot of seasoned political commentators with their own agendas - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:42:37 (BST)

Dr - I think that doctors turning away from Labour in their droves is indicative of general trend. Consider this - the Tories are more likely to get their support out on June 7 than Labour. Many Tories didn't vote last time (or those who did didn't vote for the blue with yellow trim party), they may well be more motivated to do so this time if only thru fear of a meltdown. Labour in the 80s never went into meltdown, despite facing similar problems. Thatcher comes out when she feels like it, although even now I can still see why she won 3 general elections on the spin. And as soon as things go pear shaped for Labour, watch Blair get done over...
REPD
Turning this into Frost On Sunday, Mark 2 - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:36:40 (BST)

REPD - oi, are you 34 then? Old git! ;)
Dr Womble
exulting in the exuberance of youth - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:31:24 (BST)

Regardless of my background, there should be potentially good reasons for me to vote Labour. Allegedly they will spend more on the NHS, thus easing my workload, and increasing my salary. Why is it then, that fewer and fewer doctors are voting Labour? I realise that Maggie was bad news for a lot of people, and I can't understand why the Tories keep dragging her out. Having said that, Blair is turning out to be every bit as authoritarian, and he is virtually unstoppable at the moment.
Dr Womble
signing anway all our vetoes in Europe for example - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:29:46 (BST)

Dr - somehow, I doubt that Labour will increase its majority, despite the polls. Many people I know who voted Labour last time aren't doing so this time. Appears to me that the majority is just too big for people's liking...
REPD
Conservative 1993-2001 = Labour 1983-1990. Discuss - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:25:56 (BST)

It's clearly going to be a Labour win, but hopefully the majority will be reduced. To be honest, I don't want to see the Tories go into meltdown after this election, but if they get thrashed, it will surely happen. Given the laws that Labour pushed through early in their first term, such as tuition fees, without a proper opposition party the country could be well and truely messed up.
Dr Womble
don't vote labour, please! - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:20:40 (BST)

Dr - this has actually been a very negative campaign. Most people really just don't care, which is why turnout is likely to be the lowest since 1918 certainly. There will be a few surprises for a few people come June 8...
REPD
Apparently, Labour's private polls don't suggest quite such a big lead...... - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:16:17 (BST)

REPD - I was just watching Frost as well.... would it not be hilarious is Kennedy lost his seat? :) I was going to write "RUBBISH" on my ballot form and hand it in, but I think I will use my vote to reduce the Labour majority instead. Labour disgust me... their whole campaign has been based around slagging off the Tories, and shifting blame. Foot and Mouth - the farmers, the fact the asylum seekers have doubled under Labour - the Tories, NHS - the Tories, schools - the Tories.
Dr Womble
arggghhhhh! - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:13:27 (BST)

Some updating for you : I will work on the EOSP sometime this week(end), no promises on time. Methinks Mr Graves has the wrong site. The Don In Spain I think lives there. And Celerons use inferior architecture to Pentiums (it's the equivalent of driving an Audi on Le Mans and driving an Audi down the A3). One final thing, if you start hearing various stories about ground location not quite being where they should be, just take with a pinch of salt. There seems to be quite a bit of upheaval at WFC ATM, and some with their necks on the line are bound to use any trick - no matter how tenuous - to boost their own standing with supporters....
REPD
Having a shit whilst listening to Charles Kennedy talk about Europe. I await the sarcastic comments. - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 10:01:49 (BST)

i think you mean know
ALi
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 09:40:38 (BST)

I would like to no if I have any collactable china
Mike Graves
Bethpage Tn. 37022 - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 02:30:11 (BST)

IwouldLIKE TO NO IF I have any vauable china
Mike Graves
Bethpage Tn. 37022 - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 02:27:03 (BST)

Unless you're a Womble on holiday - doh!
Dr Womble
Lockwood = buy - Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 16:53:45 (BST)

Yeah, not for much longer... And I don't suppose you see as many WFC matches as us :)
Dr Womble
the sw19s-army http doesn't work - Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 16:53:05 (BST)

Hello there guys, I'm in Sunny Spain, and I'm going to Real v. Alaves, I get to go to live footy while u lot don't. Shame that :)
Don in Spain
Sunny Madrid - Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 14:12:28 (BST)

QPR to MK according to tabloid reports and they've let 15 players go, oh dear. How long til end of season poll. Heres a question, worst stewards? Gotta be Pompey.
Zico
Just back from the CL Final in Milan! I wore the Dons shirt although I dont think I made the cameras. - Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 12:26:22 (BST)

REPD - that's what I thought. I was told that Celerons run at 66 or 100 BUS and Pentiums at 166 or 200. So what's wrong with an HPA screen? I had a quick look at it today in the SUTTON Tiny showroom, and it looked okay, though I didn't have time to really test the thing out. But hey, I only want the computer to get me through uni, so for the price, it takes a lot of beating.
JC
Sobre as I drove tonight - Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 00:47:34 (BST)

Dr - both rare but considering the suppleness of all joints, do you believe both could happen at the same time? If you've got something like diabetes you can get a few other things wrong with you as well. Breathing? You can hold your breath whilst the pic is taken. I don't think I'll go into the sexual act you're hinting about....
REPD
Needless to say, I have neither attempted nor wanted to attempt either action - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 22:45:35 (BST)

REPD - a number of arguments lead me to believe that the picture is fake.... 1)To be that bendy requires the presence of a relatively rare condition 2)To get your head up your ass would require another relatively rare physical abnormality. The chances of having both these conditions together seems unlikely. Finally, I don't suppose getting your head in there would be a quick process, and breathing would be a major consideration....
Dr Womble
in childbirth there is often a tear allowing widening..... - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 22:36:39 (BST)

Dr W - OK, so maybe *that* picture may be slightly altered (still reckon it's possible). But bearing in mind that the female genetalia is designed to be stretched in such a way as to produce offspring(we all know what a pussy is really for however much we want not to admit it), I wouldn't say that that sort of sexual act isn't possible. I've seen at least one picture of that sort, and I've been made aware of two others. Maybe there are just some things you doctors may not get... :)
REPD
You want to talk about football? You boring bastards.... :) - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 22:29:03 (BST)

REPD - the SW19 medical expert - I like it! :) I've seen pictures similar to that... one of a woman with a man's head inside her fa.... All fake.
Dr Womble
not tired, having done nothing all day - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 22:22:03 (BST)

Dr - I would like a brothel in the new stadium.... JC - Celerons are slower than a Pentium (or rather, less powerful). Something to do with their architecture. Not bad price for the laptop but the HPA screen wouldn't entice me. If I were you, I would physically check it out b4hand just to make sure you're comfortable with it. Trust me, it ain't worth saving �� for a crappy laptop screen. Oh, did you know there's a Tiny showroom in San Francisco?..... DD - no, that picture isn't me. The SW19 medical expert assures me it's fake, but it doesn't look doctored to me...
REPD
Who's got a BSc in Computing Studies but doesn't really think it got him much further in life - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 22:18:03 (BST)

repd...wtf????? just seen _that_pic. please tell me that isnt you. where on earth did you get it? im not au fait with cgi, but is that for real? in fact, don't answer. nice cover though :)
dubai don
just back from bangkok and even they cant do that! - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 20:25:28 (BST)

REPD - what's the difference between Celeron and Pentium? I heard that Pentiums run at a faster BUS speed. Also, check this out will ya? https://www.tiny.com/uk/index.html (it's the MediaBook Value 766) Tell me if this can be bettered.
JC
There's no punchline to the original question BTW - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 17:06:36 (BST)

JC - I have of course considered that possibility.... I'll have a BSc by the end of my 3rd year, so in other words I could jack it all in and have simply done a science degree. A medical degree is rather different to your average degree, because by and large it's considered to be a vocation... I might brach out into medical law, but I will certainly be a practicing doctor for the first few years.
Dr Womble
unleash the dragon - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 16:54:44 (BST)

Doc - ever considered that you might not actually become a doctor following graduation? Just a thought, as I know that lots of people don't become what they've been learning about.
JC
Who's doing a BSc in Internet Technology, but might not work with the Internet - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 16:07:46 (BST)

DW that is an imaginative idea, could be more than just a surgery, could be local health prevention or services like the Nelson provides, and what about a teacher Womble somewhere who has ideas about educational initiatives or new sports technology college, to include in the new DonDome and its Plough Lane regeneration programme. If Merton have other property/land around the GS, and WFC/us are seriously open minded about working together for a win/win, that's the sort of development that could work. Bids to central govt or London authority for funding might help in getting Merton more on board, or even some sort of PFI with WFC getting the funding and receiving lease/rent in return.
vlad
Pity there isn't enough time or apparent goodwill from both sides - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 12:48:16 (BST)

Secret Agent - I had thought of this :) CK wants the new ground to have restaurants and other things, so why not a doctor's surgery....
Dr Womble
jumping the proverbial gun - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 12:02:33 (BST)

Doc - get yourself qualified, become a consultant and by that time, you will have at least 10,000 Dons fans that you can consult with! Sod the NHS, you'll be rolling in it with 10k references plus recommendations. Reckon by 40 you'll be retired or taking over from CK, leading the negotiations on how much WFC should get for playing in the World League :-)
Secret Agent
Sutton Job Centre - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 11:31:29 (BST)

REPD - I'm well aware that you're not unemployed, but isn't it hard to be sacked doing freelance stuff? :) I see your point about not wanting to do a 9-5, but what happens when you choose to retire - ie no pension?
Dr Womble
NHS pension - no thanks! - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 11:15:33 (BST)

Dr - common misconception - I am **not** unemployed. I work for myself, pay NI etc. My hours can severely vary between 10 hours a day and 10 minutes a day. Currently, I'm on the 10 minute a day if I'm lucky scheme of things. Typical for this time of year. I'm trying to diversify (ask Flawed) to keep my brain going and my bank balance solvent. I never want to do a 9-5 job....
REPD
Course, it's a bit quiet at the moment - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 10:51:17 (BST)

REPD - how can you keep a job if you don't have one? I was wondering the other day about your work habits, do you work more or less than everyone else? And if you work less, do you get paid more per day than others iyswim? And if not, why not get a 9-5 job?
Dr Womble
that sugar cane, that tasted good - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 09:58:00 (BST)

Bloody hell, can't anyone keep a job ATM.....?
REPD
Except me of course :) - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 09:17:22 (BST)

Ah! An immigration debate, how topical! I logged on for some light relief, fuck it, plenty of wine in the fridge.
Florida John
Consider in legal action against his employer - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 03:33:04 (BST)

I do feel slightly sorry for Al Fayed - fine, he's not exactly perfect, but just about every other undesirable has got a British passport now....
Dr Womble
he has screwed Harrods, though - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 22:08:46 (BST)

SA - er, yeah. I thought that Harrods is an expensive version of M&S meself. BTW, check your email..
REPD
Peter Jones = Sloane Square BHS - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 21:48:58 (BST)

REPD - Woolworths Knightsbridge = Harrods! Geddit?
Secret Agent
Sarcasm City - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 21:06:16 (BST)

http://members.aol.com/bealnet2001/pl.html good chance some of you guys may be on here. somint I threw together
adam(superdon)
- Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 20:19:45 (BST)

Do we ever not ignore you?
JC
Stella and Real McCoys - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 17:27:38 (BST)

BTW, I'm just testing something else out, so please ignore me.
REPD
There - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 14:58:26 (BST)

SA - go to their messageboard and check out the comments. They are NOT happy..
REPD
There isn't a Woolies in Knightsbridge. I've looked. - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 13:46:04 (BST)

Bloody hell! Fayed must have had a fun time designing his own club badge with a set of reduced to clear crayons from the Woolworths in Knightsbridge! I cannot imagine the FFC fans being overly impressed with that badge, what a pile of cack. Nice one Fayed, you will make "your" club the laughing stock of the Prem with the players wearing that on their shirts!
Secret Agent
Pissing myself, literally! - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 13:43:43 (BST)

Oh, and if you want to piss yourself, check out http://www.fulhamfc.co.uk/news/newcrest3.asp - this is absolutely legit.
REPD
Surfing - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 13:20:01 (BST)

JC - not yet...
REPD
Wondering what to do this afternoon - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 11:37:06 (BST)

REPD - you spoken to Darren yet?
JC
Revising for tomorrow's exam :-( - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 11:35:40 (BST)

Also, I should point out that JZ's problem was technical, whereas mine was deliberate...
REPD again
Hehehe - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:23 (BST)

Dr - yup, all the posts are gone. But it's incidental to what I've actually done as well. And no, I am not going to tell you what it is....
REPD
Should really have done this a long, long time ago - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 11:27:12 (BST)

What the hell is going on? Are all the posts lost for good? Is this related to last night in w&ww?
Dr Womble
confused - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 11:20:31 (BST)

Testing testing 123 - yup, seems OK. Continue posting.
REPD
Again - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 11:07:29 (BST)

I'm just about to do some guestbook maintenance so until I give the OK signal again, please don't post anything (if you ignore me, your posting will simply be lost). Thank you.
REPD
Info service - Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 10:51:12 (BST)

REPD - Errr ... am I supposed to be excited or something? West Bank - no URL as yet, but our site's going to piss all over your site matey ;-) Only joking, nice site as it goes, but do beware. Our site will be up for the new season, if all goes well!
JC
- Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 23:31:31 (BST)

JC-Your homepage url?
West Bank 'til I die
The West Bank - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 18:51:15 (BST)